40 mm framelines

georgeaye

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Hi there

I'm still without any real world experience of my new rd-1 (sitting boxed on my desk at work) but I'm wondering if I can get feedback on framelines and how they work with the multitude of lens out there.

I understand that if I mount a 28mm/35mm/50mm on the rd-1, the framelines will appear and show me what's in frame and what's not. I'm also read somewhere that Epson/CV made their framelines accommodate the cropping factor.

Now my question is, if you mount a 40mm (as I want something just longer than 'normal') will I be able to accurately judge what's in frame or not? What happens for lens longer than 50mm? How do photogs work with this?

Thanks,

George
 
The framelines are set manually. There is a switch on the top of the body to do that. The available framelines are 28, 35 and 50 and you set them according to the length of the lens. You don't adjust for the cropping factor; the camera does that. I don't have a 40mm yet -- though it is on my wishlist; but from what I have read the 35mm framelines work fine for it for medium to long shots. However at closer distances, using the 40mm you will need to leave some room between what you want to be in your image and the framelines.
 
There are lots of different workarounds for this.

You're correct that Epson sized the framelines for what a 28mm, 35mm or 50mm lens will show when used on the R-D 1, so the so-called "crop factor" already is taken into account.

Also, because the effective focal length of a lens increases, or "zooms in" slightly, as you focus closer (the lens has a longer focal length at its closest distance than it does at infinity) Epson made the framelines 85% of the nominally correct size to provide some safety margin.

This confuses a lot of people, so I'll explain it in more detail: Suppose they had made, say, the 50mm frameline cover exactly what a 50mm lens shows at infinity. Then, when you focused the lens at a distance of 1 meter, its effective focal length will be longer -- about 55mm -- so it would now show a "tighter" field of view than you see in the framelines. In fact, it would only show about 90% of what you'd expect.

That means that if you very carefully positioned an element of the scene exactly at the edge of the frame, you'd find out it had been cropped out of the final image -- just as if you'd framed it up exactly with a zoom lens, and then zoomed in a little tighter!

To avoid that, Epson made the framelines so they show only about 85% of what the lens covers at infinity. That means pictures made at infinity will always show quite a bit more subject than you saw through the viewfinder.

Then, when you focus down to one meter -- where the lens covers only about 90% of what it covers at infinity -- the 85% finder coverage means you'll still have a slight amount of "breathing room" around the edges of your picture. As long as your composition was within the framelines, you can be sure all of it will appear in the final image, and you can simply crop out any excess.

Incidentally, Epson didn't invent this idea -- every rangefinder camera with projected framelines sizes the framelines a bit "tight" with respect to what the lens sees at infinity.​

So, as Sevres says, this 85% safety factor means the 35mm framelines will work fine for your 40mm lens at longer distances; in fact, they're a closer match for the 40mm focal length than they are for 35mm! I used to use a 40mm lens on my R-D 1, and I found that the 35mm frameline was a safe guide down to distances of about 8 feet. Once I got closer than that, though, the lens' effective focal length had increased enough that it was now seeing less than the framelines showed -- so I had to remember not to compose my pictures too close to the frame edge, instead adding a bit of "air" at the edges of the image.

You can apply these concepts to use longer lenses without too much trouble on your R-D 1. One approach is to buy accessory viewfinders that were designed for lenses on 35mm cameras, applying Epson's 1.53x "crop factor" to convert the coverage for the R-D 1.

For example, suppose I want to use an 85mm lens on my R-D 1. 85mm x the 1.53x "crop factor"= 130.05... so if I use a finder designed for using a 135mm lens on a 35mm camera, it will show about the correct view field. In fact, if the finder is made correctly, it will show slightly less than the lens sees... which is what I want, to provide that framing safety factor noted above.

In practice, it's not always that cut-and-dried, since the makers of accessory viewfinders often designed them with deliberately tight framing to provide a safety factor of their own.

For example, I've got a 100mm f/2 Canon lens that I often use on my R-D 1. Going by the arithmetic, that lens should need a 35mm-camera finder designated for a 153mm lens... of which there ain't no such animal! However, I've got a 135mm Komura brightline finder in which the frameline was designed so conservatively that it's actually a good match for the 100mm lens on the R-D 1! Fortunately, the fact that the R-D 1 is a digital camera makes it quick and easy to shoot test shots to see how your lens' coverage compares with your finder's.

Some people even use this capability to dispense with auxiliary finders altogether, and just use various "landmarks" in the finder (the rangefinder patch, the edges of various framelines, etc.) to help them visualize a particular lens' coverage. Shoot a test shot, check it, then look through the finder and note where the edges of the image line up. I'm a bit uncomfortable with this technique myself, but some R-D 1 users swear by it.
 
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I use external finders for anything wider than 25mm, most of the other lenses I use I can get a good approximation of framing by estimating if I don't have a dedicated frameline. For the Nokton 40mm I use the 35mm frame. I've also got pretty good at estimating what a 75 will give me using the 50mm lines...

In normal use this really isn't an issue for me - sometimes I can get caught out with close-up stuff and longer lenses but that's more due to parallax than framing.

The only dedicated finders I regularly use are the "D" versions of the 12mm and 21mm - the 21 is just too wide to approximate using the outer edge of the viewfinder
 
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Thank you all for your detailed, considerate answers. I feel a whole lot better about ordering the 40mm nokton now. As soon as I get a lens mounted and feel comfortable focusing with a rangefinder, I'll post up some photos.

George
 
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