50mm Summicron Type 3? Why the bad rap?

Benjamin that makes a lot of sense to me - I lucked out and came across a Summar without cleaning marks recently (it had been a long search) - mechanically it needs a CLA but the glass is "water clear" as they say. I love the wide-open look of that lens, it's not appropriate for everything of course, but for pictures of my family it's the bee's knees.
 
Taken with my clean DR... This smallish version doesn't do the original scan justice.

M3 (1966), DR Summicron, Fuji Pro 400. Standard processing and scan by photo lab. No post processing.

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Peter, an amazing picture. I just got a Leica M3, my first Leica M (hip hip hooray) and am looking at 50mm summicrons. You might have just steered me towards the DR versions. 😀

Thanks

Adam
 
Thanks Adam

Be fussy and take your time. There are good ones out there but there are also a lot of hacked ones for use on the Digital Ms or other oddities.

Make sure it has the original goggles and the coatings are good.
Double check the rear most element. Any flaws here and it may show up on your photos.
It's better to pay a bit more for a good one...

My kids will decide what happens to my DR after I'm gone. 😉

The lens... Take your time when using it. Measure the light and adjust accordingly and you can't go wrong.
And most of all have fun.
 
I'm certain back in the early 70's when the v.3 was the latest, it was considered by many to be the top gun because of better contrast and simpler close focus, although the rigid/DR was still considered slightly better for central resolution despite it being present with very low contrast in exchange for high resolution. The DR also benefited with an extra 8" or 9" close focus. My experience with every version I've used from the DR to the current version is that each succeeding formulation improved contrast and resistence to veiling flare in adverse lighting. Full aperture IQ improves about 1/2-1 stop with each succeeding optical formula. Back to your original question, v.3 is the odd man out because the tabbed/current version is optically a little better (especially in the outer field) and the Rigid/DR trumps all in build quality, central resolution and it's medium contrast is favored among many B&W film users. I've used every version and the black Wetzlar (v.3) was my absolute favorite in terms of ergonomics, not to mention extremely pleasant image rendition, possibly the best of all the designs in that it still retains a vintage look but far better sharpness than early lenses. The new current version is a little sharper across the frame but sacrifices some of that vintage fingerprint.
 
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The clue is in the words 'reading around the web'. Pig-iggerant non-users regurgitating 'received wisdom' from self-appointed gurus, and pixel peepers who shoot only test charts/brick walls/picket fences/coffee cups/cats.

Believe them, and you'll believe anything.

Cheers,

R.

I couldn't agree more Roger. Whenever I've been interested in a particular lens I've always read as much as possible on the net, in books etc however the final decision has to be from a 'using it yourself' viewpoint.
I've been fortunate enough to have used all the 50 summicrons apart from the collapsible and from my use, there is no doubt, they are all good. Tiny differences in image, hardly noticable to me any way. I prefer lenses without tabs so the v3 is it.
There is no average Summicron, they are all good.
 
One of my favourites out of all my Leica photos was taken with this lens, but I sold it and still regret it. It was a Canadian version which I foolishly underrated.
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This is the tabbed cron right? It has the same formula as the latest cron.

No it's the one before the tabbed version. It has 6 elements, leica number 11817.
It came in 2 versions. The first batch had scalloped focus rings like the rigid and DR, around 200 made in 1968. From then on the focus ring was uniform circular like the Summilux v2's. Identical lens formula for both types and all in black anodised alloy.

Here's my v3

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Ken R has a nice page on the different versions
http://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/50mm-summicron-comparison-table.htm
 
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Anyone know if this lens can be 6 bit coded? I have one but with the template I have one of the 6 coding areas has a screw there. Also the mount on mine has 5 screws not the 6 that most other leica lens appear to have.

I should specify I am using on an M8 hence the desire for coding.
 
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