70mm Film FUN up ahead

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Calzone said:
MFM,

If I can get rid of the about 18% VAT then I can possibly get 400S for about $80.00 per roll 120 equiv. At that price it becomes about $2.00 a roll per 120 equiv plus there will be bonus frames. "No money."

Rodinal seems like an inexpensive one shot, but for me the film speed is 50-80 ISO. I surely will exploit this. Since I have three 15 foot reels, I think cutting down an Expert JOBO to handle two reels will give me the capability to develop over 120 6x7's in one tank.

It seems like I discovered for some unknown reason that Microphen is a bad developer with Rollie 400S. Oh-well.

I mined that Rollie "Supergrain" developer is derived from AM-74, AKA Rollie RHS, AKA D74. It is available from Freestyle, 500ml for $21.59. Standard dilutions are 1+9, 1+12, and 1+15. It seems D74 is an earlier version of this developer. This is a liquid developer so it is convenient to use. Great for me because I want to be know as a lazy slacker.

I figure if I need 2 liters per 15 foot, so if I use 1+15 I can do two loaded tanks for $21.59. I'm glad I don't have to deal with the VAT with Freestyle.

I saw some examples of Agfa Superpan 200 (AKA Agfa Aviphot 200/ Rollie 400S) developed with D74 that gave 200 ISO using 1+15. Seems to be exactly what I'm looking for: a compatible compensating developer that gives me a good film speed. One sample I saw 200 ISO D74 1+15 for 5:15.

Dan suggests first contacting MACO. Hopefully they just drop the VAT since they are exporting the film to the U.S. I think an order over $1K would lean in my favor.

On the to do list is buy a used JOBO Expert tank and cut it down into a custom "Calzone" tank that is sized for a pair of 15 footers.

Buy 70mm film from MACO.

Buy Rollie Supergrain Developer.

Cut a cam for my Zeiss 53/4.5 Biogon with my "Linhof Consultant."

Cal
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Rollie will be the vehicle you will need in your old age when still you want to carry around all the cams you are showing in the portrait of yours....
 
Linhof-spool-slit-new 120 to 70mm-shim coming

Linhof-spool-slit-new 120 to 70mm-shim coming

wilsonlaidlaw said:
Now that Alan Strarkie has almost finished my Combat Graflex, I too will be shooting 70mm soon. I have a few filled cassettes with Rollei 400S but am not sure about ISO. I see all sorts of advice running from 100 to 800 ISO. I have a friend in the USA who has a Nikor mega tank he is prepared to sell me (I think) and Hewes do a 70mm x 15' reel. The main problem I have had is cutting the film off dead square inside a changing bag. I have a mixture of Kodak, Hasselblad and Linhof cassettes. The Kodak and Hassy are fine as they use an S.Steel spring clip to retain the film on the spool but the Linhof has a very shallow slot with a small tooth at each end to retain the film via the sprocket holes, so it has to be cut off perfectly to sit square and lock in the slot. A very poor arrangement compared with the Kodak and Hasselblad. I am thinking of attacking the Linhof spools with a slotter on a Dremel tool to deepen the slot into the centre of the spool.

For anyone who would like to see the amazing sight of the naked Combat Graflex shutter running after repair with 3D printed titanium parts. You can tell this is a military machine. look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsjQMFjLUQ
Wilson
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If i remember right one must bend filmleader a bit. also the linhof-spool are a but thicker than Kodak.
Slit and thickness is relevant when we will offer a 120 to 70mm spool-shim.
I must check linhof with 61.5mm(aka 120/220) regarding the slit. it could be that the engager is working only for perforated film. i could not believe that, mainly the the engager is at the side at 70mm-level so it would have not function for 61,5mm. will try to find unperforated 70mm or cut down from 126mm then. or trying with 120 at both positions.
goal was using this shim for shooting in Graflex RH-50 which is working(counter can be set back) but unsure if 120/220 longroll would work in HB 70mm-back(see also photo.net where someone tried) or only Unperforated 70mm like shown here.
 
Welcome Michael! Should have figured you would be comin' around sooner or later. Remember me from the Kiev Delphi forum? Over there I am HASSYDAN.

The "rubber wheels" for the A70 'blad came from a Guy in Massachusetts with a portrait studio. I have an old email address, maybe I should try tpo contact him. Obviously he had a machine shop make these for him, maybe he has more ???

I'm running fresh Rollei Aviphot 200 through an A70 right now. Same thing as Rollei 400s, I have two rolls coming from Maco in Germany they are on their way. Another A70 holds Kodak Surveillance (I heard they used this in bank cameras in the day). I bought a partial case from a military surplus Guy out in California years ago. Another A70 holds very old original Kodak Plus-X (THE GOOD STUFF), which I'm confident will produce images (fingers crossed). 🙂

Good to see you here! I used to run unperfed 70mm through my Kiev Hartblei 1006M (modified by Mr. Hartblei to take real Blad backs), which I bought from Mike Fourman. NOW THAT WAS A HOOT 🙂 I was always happy when it worked.

DSC05788 by Nokton48, on Flickr

A70 Rubber Wheel 3 by Nokton48, on Flickr

DSC05776 by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
Kodak Plus-X 500' roll Aerorecon by Nokton48, on Flickr

Here is a five hundred foot roll of 70mm Plus-X Aerorecon film 3404. I have only used fifteeen feet of it! There was a Guy on Ebay in Utah that was selling this film for a long time, it was 80 Bucks a roll, so I grabbed one. It is super thin stock so 250 exposures can go in a regular Hasselblad A70! Sometimes I see partial rolls show up on Ebay, so you never know.

Jukka (Rangefinderfreak) who used to post here loves this film. Behaves like regular Plus-X, just don't fold it or let it get kinked up, it is really really thin stuff.
 
europanorama said:
Rollie will be the vehicle you will need in your old age when still you want to carry around all the cams you are showing in the portrait of yours....
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E,

Buying a Baby Linhof comes with a free gym membership. LOL. At age 60 I don't look it. The Tech V with the 53 Biogon and Cine weighs about 7 1/2 pounds. Kinda like carrying around half a bowling ball. My neck is thick like a football player so I look a bit like a monster. LOL. Especially because otherwise I am skinny.

Over 63 shots on 15 feet of film in 6x7, and since I own a 645 Cine also over 120 shots in 645. I figure the 53mm is a 35 mm FOV in 645, and in 6x7 it is like a 28mm FOV.

My other Baby Linhof is a Tech IV with a Zeiss 100/2.8 Planar. Not as heavy. Interesting to note that if you discount the film and cassettes a Cine weighs the same as a 120 Rolliex back.

Interesting that I can change backs instead of lenses to get different FOV's.

Cal
 
Nokton48 said:
Rollei Retro 400s by Nokton48, on Flickr

Needed some HP5+ 120, so I figured I might as well get some 120 Rollei Retro 400s, I can run it in my old Plaubel Makinas and Makiflexes.
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Dan,

It seems "70mm Disease" made me buy a Nikor stainless steel dip and dunk rack that requires 3 1/2 gallon tanks for dip and dunk. Only $50.00 with a dozen reels, and know that I have enough 120 reels to fill the rack.

Only 180 exposures in 6x7. LOL.

If I fill the three fifteen foot reels I own I get 180+ exposures and only have to reload twice.

I'm testing Ferrainia P30. Can't wait for this film to be available in 120. I am also testing Bergger Panchro 400. My hope is for 70mm versions one day.

As far as my mucho heavy rigs, my "Linhof Consultant" who is a large format shooter once said, "With negatives like these you don't need a 4x5," when he was looking at some of my 6x9 negatives. Pretty much I'm a lazy slacker and am avoiding going large format. Also I want to shoot medium format like a Leica.

Anyways comes a point where 70mm is not really crazy at all. For me it is rather practical.

I'm going to test Rollie 400S in 120 with DDX next. For high key lighting and high contrast summer sun Diafine 4+4 at 160 ISO seems to be dialed in with only two inversions per minute for maximizing the compensating effect. Now I need a punchy developer that exploits the inherent high contrast of the 400S for lower contrast lighting and diffused lighting.

Rodinal 1+50 at 80 ISO also looks great. I'm almost at the point of loading up the truck with 70mm film.

Would love to get just one more 6x7 CINE so I can load one back for high contrast shooting and development in Diafine; and a second CINE for low contrast and diffused lighting for dipping in DDX.

I won't forget FP4 and HP5 although not inexpensive. In 2017 Ilford did HP5, and I'm thinking in the 2018 cycle they likely will do FP4 which is better for me.

Brutal I say.

Cal
 
Calzone said:
Anyways comes a point where 70mm is not really crazy at all. For me it is rather practical. Cal
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70mm Hasselblad by Nokton48, on Flickr

I totally agree, 70mm is very practical for me. Hopefully more manufacturers will add 70mm stocks so we have more fresh stocks available at moderate cost.

Here is my 70mm Blad setup for now. Multiple 70mm backs is definately the way to go. I could use a few more I guess. A70s are cheap as dirt so you never know. Speaking of dirt, I just cleaned out A70 #4 and yes it was surprisingly dirty inside, but now spic and span. Also A70 Users, remove the front plate and examine the light seal setup. This one needed replacing and they are only $13 from Blackbird on Ebay. I ordered three extras as spares as I have a lot of Blad magazines. Easy to change out yourself, and until you take it apart, you can't be sure it's OK. Just sayin".

Also run dummy film through these and learn when it is running right or not. It's really worth all the trouble.

Cal, there was a 3.5 gallon hard rubber wash tank available, as well as floating lids and tank covers. I have all of it for when I finish building the darkroom.

Holiday coming up on Monday so maybe I will have time to run my old Plus-X short end 70mm along with 120 rolls of all sorts. I will prolly use Freestyle Legacy Mic-X straight replenished as that is my current favorite soup. I use it for 16mm to 8x10"
 
Nokton48 said:
70mm Hasselblad by Nokton48, on Flickr

I totally agree, 70mm is very practical for me. Hopefully more manufacturers will add 70mm stocks so we have more fresh stocks available at moderate cost.

Here is my 70mm Blad setup for now. Multiple 70mm backs is definately the way to go. I could use a few more I guess. A70s are cheap as dirt so you never know. Speaking of dirt, I just cleaned out A70 #4 and yes it was surprisingly dirty inside, but now spic and span. Also A70 Users, remove the front plate and examine the light seal setup. This one needed replacing and they are only $13 from Blackbird on Ebay. I ordered three extras as spares as I have a lot of Blad magazines. Easy to change out yourself, and until you take it apart, you can't be sure it's OK. Just sayin".

Also run dummy film through these and learn when it is running right or not. It's really worth all the trouble.

Cal, there was a 3.5 gallon hard rubber wash tank available, as well as floating lids and tank covers. I have all of it for when I finish building the darkroom.

Holiday coming up on Monday so maybe I will have time to run my old Plus-X short end 70mm along with 120 rolls of all sorts. I will prolly use Freestyle Legacy Mic-X straight replenished as that is my current favorite soup. I use it for 16mm to 8x10"
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Dan,

I have Steve from the NYC Meet-Up who is a "Blad-Head." He is very interested in the A70 backs for "no money." If I did not have "Linhof Disease" I likely would have "Blad-Disease." LOL.

Steve says, "It makes no sense to do 70mm unless you have a 15 foot reel." Ha-Ha. I told him it is better when you have three. LOL.

My Linhof Consultant assures me that the JOBO Expert tanks have a big enough diameter to fit the 15 foot reels. I only presently have a Nikor non-daylight tank that can only fit one reel. The JOBO 3063 can fit a 20x24 print, so my idea is to cut one down; this way I have a daylight tank.

BTW that is a "Savage Rig." Not made for a human. LOL. Or at least a normal human. Crazy is good I say.

Cal
 
Calzone said:
Steve says, "It makes no sense to do 70mm unless you have a 15 foot reel."
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Yes but there are the 70mm Dental reels that will take a short-end of ten foot 70mm. There is 70mm Ektachrome 64 on Ebay right now and that will go through an E6 machine or could be cross processed in a C41 machine. Or you can modify a 120/220 JOBO reel to take a 220 length piece of 70mm in a Mutltank 2500 series tank

If I were you, I would ask CATLABS if you can remove the cog top on that big tank. If so you can put an orange JOBO cap on it and turn it into a true inversion tank. You can do that with the 2500 series tanks, so I bet you can. Just knock out the cog with a rubber mallet and you are good to cap and invert away.



Calzone said:
BTW that is a "Savage Rig." Not made for a human. LOL. Or at least a normal human. Crazy is good I say.
Cal
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This camera has a sterling silver plate on the side, numbered and hand signed by Dr. Hasselblad. I doubt I'll ever sell it. The 100mm F3.5 Planar T* is legendary and I am rediscovering how great it is. I used to use it for weddings among other things. Speaking of savage LOL
 
Nokton48 said:
Yes but there are the 70mm Dental reels that will take a short-end of ten foot 70mm. There is 70mm Ektachrome 64 on Ebay right now and that will go through an E6 machine or could be cross processed in a C41 machine. Or you can modify a 120/220 JOBO reel to take a 220 length piece of 70mm in a Mutltank 2500 series tank

If I were you, I would ask CATLABS if you can remove the cog top on that big tank. If so you can put an orange JOBO cap on it and turn it into a true inversion tank. You can do that with the 2500 series tanks, so I bet you can. Just knock out the cog with a rubber mallet and you are good to cap and invert away.

This camera has a sterling silver plate on the side, numbered and hand signed by Dr. Hasselblad. I doubt I'll ever sell it. The 100mm F3.5 Planar T* is legendary and I am rediscovering how great it is. I used to use it for weddings among other things. Speaking of savage LOL
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Dan,

I'm pretty certain that I can get rid of the cog and go full inversion. I kinda have a reputation. John one of the Moderators on RFF has called my cameras affectionately and collectively "Monsters." LOL. For me 15 feet is all in. Mark Cuban once said, "Go big: or don't go."

The Zeiss glass I have to exploit is the 53/4.5 Biogon and the 100/2.8 Planar. Should be brutal. Both approved by Linhof.

Your Blad is mighty badaXX for sure. Kinda crazy good having 4 backs.

Cal
 
rbiemer said:
Surplus Shed has a few 70mm things for sale; aerial camera backs mostly, but a few other bits.
This might be a start for something interesting though:
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/i1481.html

And, they have a few film backs from the "70mm type 18 periscope " camera with film loaded. :
http://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/i1481.html

Rob
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Hello, I'm new here to the forums. I discovered it trying to search and find out more about the type 18 periscope camera back. I bought one from Surplus Shed about 6 months ago, mostly from the sheer fact it's a big camera back loaded with film.

I have no idea if the film has been shot. Honestly no idea at all about any of it, how it works. I've got an idea that I'd like to build my own camera to be able to use this back for some *hopefully* awesome photography.

I've never used any 70mm before so I'm at a total loss of how the mechanics of these work, such as allowing the film to be exposed. Is there a cover that comes off the magazine after it has been connected?

I'd appreciate any and all help you all would be willing to share with a noob!

Thanks,
David
 
archybean said:
Hello, I'm new here to the forums. I discovered it trying to search and find out more about the type 18 periscope camera back. I bought one from Surplus Shed about 6 months ago, mostly from the sheer fact it's a big camera back loaded with film.

I have no idea if the film has been shot. Honestly no idea at all about any of it, how it works. I've got an idea that I'd like to build my own camera to be able to use this back for some *hopefully* awesome photography.

I've never used any 70mm before so I'm at a total loss of how the mechanics of these work, such as allowing the film to be exposed. Is there a cover that comes off the magazine after it has been connected?

I'd appreciate any and all help you all would be willing to share with a noob!

Thanks,
David
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David,

I can see making a very cool panoramic camera around that back.

I suggest looking at the EBONY's panoramic camera as a source of info. You likely will need a 8x10 lens that has the coverage via a huge image circle. With negatives so big consider contact printing to make silver wet prints.

The lens would have a leaf shutter. What is not clear is how does the film get advanced.

BTW you can't imagine how much that camera back cost the U.S. taxpayers. I imagine that it was hooked up using the periscope on a sub to gather intelligence (spying).

Anyways this can be a mighty cool project. Likely uses a lot more than 15 feet of film. Pretty much your film capacity is way overkill even for a nut like me.

Cal
 
Calzone said:
David,

I can see making a very cool panoramic camera around that back.

I suggest looking at the EBONY's panoramic camera as a source of info. You likely will need a 8x10 lens that has the coverage via a huge image circle. With negatives so big consider contact printing to make silver wet prints.

The lens would have a leaf shutter. What is not clear is how does the film get advanced.

BTW you can't imagine how much that camera back cost the U.S. taxpayers. I imagine that it was hooked up using the periscope on a sub to gather intelligence (spying).

Anyways this can be a mighty cool project. Likely uses a lot more than 15 feet of film. Pretty much your film capacity is way overkill even for a nut like me.

Cal
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Cool, thanks for the info Cal! I'm sure there will be many more questions as I delve into this...not sure what my time line will be though.

When it arrived I was surprised to see a copy of the purchase order. Or some kind of government form at least. It had an original purchase price of $16,818! Not a bad deal I got it for $39 plus shipping.
 
archybean said:
Cool, thanks for the info Cal! I'm sure there will be many more questions as I delve into this...not sure what my time line will be though.

When it arrived I was surprised to see a copy of the purchase order. Or some kind of government form at least. It had an original purchase price of $16,818! Not a bad deal I got it for $39 plus shipping.
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A-B,

I am sure that it is Mil-Spec. I use to work for the fourth largest aerospace company in the U.S. (Grumman) then it merged with Northrop to become Northrop Grumman.

You should know that my Linhof's are rather simple cameras that is really only a lens with a shutter, a film holder/transport, and a focusing ability.

I have a Plaubel 69W Proshift that uses a 47/5.6 Schneider Super Augulon for a 21mm FOV in 6x9. What is useful here is that because it is an ultrawide there are two detents on the heliocoil. One is at 2 meters for close up and I believe the other is at 5 meters for close and far presets.

The DOF is so much, compounded by the ultrawide FOV that one can shoot in "Kill-Zone" mode using and exploiting the vast DOF. Consider building a macho ultra-wide with a lens that has a leaf shutter and a heliocoil for use as a "Press Camera."

Cal
 
archybean said:
Hello, I'm new here to the forums. I discovered it trying to search and find out more about the type 18 periscope camera back. I bought one from Surplus Shed about 6 months ago, mostly from the sheer fact it's a big camera back loaded with film.

I have no idea if the film has been shot. Honestly no idea at all about any of it, how it works. I've got an idea that I'd like to build my own camera to be able to use this back for some *hopefully* awesome photography.

I've never used any 70mm before so I'm at a total loss of how the mechanics of these work, such as allowing the film to be exposed. Is there a cover that comes off the magazine after it has been connected?

I'd appreciate any and all help you all would be willing to share with a noob!

Thanks,
David
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David,
I really don't know anything about 70mm film or cameras beyond what has been posted in this thread. I posted that link after I'd been reading the thread--and got the Surplus Shed weekly (monthly?) email in my in box--and though that maybe the folks here who are seriously figuring out this film and what they want to do with it might find something useful.

Rob
 
Glenn Evans is a photo dealer, photographer, and photo machinist/camera designer in Chicago. I've known Glenn for many years and he has done a few really interesting extremely custom photo projects over the years for me.

He has an extensive website, check out the PANORAMIC section, he lists a TORPEDO PERISCOPE camera (or part of one) plus check out all of his cool creations.

www.glennview.com
 
Nokton48 said:
Glenn Evans is a photo dealer, photographer, and photo machinist/camera designer in Chicago. I've known Glenn for many years and he has done a few really interesting extremely custom photo projects over the years for me.

He has an extensive website, check out the PANORAMIC section, he lists a TORPEDO PERISCOPE camera (or part of one) plus check out all of his cool creations.

www.glennview.com
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Dan,

Thanks for the link.

Cal
 
Hey Cal,

Look what just arrived from Germany. Rather quick for slow shipping!

Two rolls of 30.5 meter (100") of 70mm fresh Rollei 400s 😀😎😎😎😀

Maco Customer Service told me that they have several hundred rolls of this 70mm film in stock. Good to know.
And Freestyle contacted Rollei for me, and Rollei said they have no plans to discontinue this film anytime soon.
Also good to know.


DSC05891 by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
DSC05892 by Nokton48, on Flickr

I've loaded a 70mm Kodak Cassette with the 70mm Rollei 400s. It has -some- antihalo backing on it, so that is good.

Loaded into Hasselblad A70 #2 and ready to test. I'll try bracketing frames as I usually do.

It's raining here (remnants of Harvey hitting Ohio I guess). Waiting for some sunshine.
But I did just finish my first 70mm roll of the Agfa Aviphot 200 PEI. I think it's the same as Rollei 400s.
Got 32 exposures through the A70. It's been in there a while.
Time to dust off the 70mm Kindermann tank and load up this stuff.
 
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