70mm Film FUN up ahead

Nice Cal, have someone else post images so you can still claim ignorance of how to post images AND keep your I've never posted images streak going...
Joe
 
jszokoli said:
Nice Cal, have someone else post images so you can still claim ignorance of how to post images AND keep your I've never posted images streak going...
Joe
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Joe,

I have my reputation to maintain of annoying people and being a lazy slacker. LOL.

I openly admit I also am a bit dumb when it comes to technology. Kinda funny that my day job is being a Cyclotron Engineer and running a physics lab.

Why do you love me?

BTW I have more shots that I tried to send Dan, but I learned that sometimes even three JPEGS sent in an e-mail is too much for my G-mail to handle. I'll have to resend them.

Another thing I am known for is spreading GAS and Linhof Disease. BTW 70mm for your Blad would be mucho evil.

Cal
 
Nokton48 said:
Cal's Kindermann 70mm loader by Nokton48, on Flickr


Here is Cal's Kindermann 70mm Film Loader. What a cool unique item. And so are his two Baby Technikas.

Hey Cal, Can you spool cartridges with that thing, or just load dev reels?
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Dan,

The loader works for loading 70mm cassettes and loading Kindermann 15 footers. For you it would be perfect.

I'm so lame (part of my reputation) that I even had a problem sending you three JPEG's in an e-mail. Understand I don't text, I don't carry a cell phone, and I believe the world would be a better place without cell phones. I only have a cell phone because my gal pays for it, but generally I don't carry it around and just use it as a message machine.

Pretty much I annoy people, but somehow I have lots of friends. LOL.

One of the JPEG's that I have to resend shows a similar, but different cassette/development reel loader that came in the German/French CINE instruction manual. Could be an earlier version 1 Kindermann. In the background in an illustration is your Kindermann tank with the offset spout.

As you know loading 15 feet of film is a bit clumbsy and ideally a supporting pivot that holds the reel horizontal makes for good ergonomics in a changing bag.

I have yet to figure out how many turns of the crank will create a 15 foot roll.

For GAS I have to take a shot of my TOPCON 250 exposure bulk loader. I think I bought this bulk loader for about $25.00 from KEH. It features a counter and is meant to spool up to 250 exposures of 35mm film. If I remember correctly if I do 250 exposures three times I get really close to 100 feet of film so this Topcon loader would be great to re-spool an 800 foot roll into smaller rolls to fit a daylight bulkloader.

BTW I'm a big fan of Kodak 5222 also. I shoot it at 400 ISO and develope in Diafine 4+4, 2 inversions per minute, and I get these crazy good beefy negatives for straight printing wet prints.

I also discovered an overlap with DDX where Tri-X and 5222 share the same times at a 1+9 dilution, so I'm thinking that DDX could also be used for 5222 at 1+4 for 8 minutes also in that "mixed tank." The rated film speed would be 200 ISO.

So 5222 in "Slacker's Brew" (Diafine) 4+4, 2 inversions per minute, for 400 ISO; and 5222 in DDX for 8 minutes for 200 ISO. Pretty much if I wanted I could be happy with just 5222 at 400 and 200 ISO for 35mm.

Cal
 
Cal,

For many years I have developed Tri-X and XX together in the same tank, with good results for me. Of course I am not using the same developers that you are using, but the concept is the same. Often I will develop 35mm, 120s (two to a reel with JOBO), and whatever else I have, like sometimes 16mm slit down from 35. It works for me. As you know my preferred brew is Legacy Mic-X from Freestyle.

I'd like to see that early Kindermann 70mm loader. Does the one you have fit you Nikor reels OK? They must have had different versions (or vintages, as you say).

Job is mucho mucho crazy right but looking forward to burning more 70mm when I have the time.

-Dan
 
Nokton48 said:
Cal,

For many years I have developed Tri-X and XX together in the same tank, with good results for me. Of course I am not using the same developers that you are using, but the concept is the same. Often I will develop 35mm, 120s (two to a reel with JOBO), and whatever else I have, like sometimes 16mm slit down from 35. It works for me. As you know my preferred brew is Legacy Mic-X from Freestyle.

I'd like to see that early Kindermann 70mm loader. Does the one you have fit you Nikor reels OK? They must have had different versions (or vintages, as you say).

Job is mucho mucho crazy right but looking forward to burning more 70mm when I have the time.

-Dan
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Dan,

I sent you an e-mail blast of JPEG's. One JPEG includes the pages showing the version 1 (Kindermann???) used to spool a 70mm cassette. The French/German CINE instructions date from 1966 for your forensics.

I have two different types of 70mm 15 foot reels: two have spokes like wagon wheels, and I don't know who made them, but they are beefy in construction; the other reel I think is a Kindermann, and that is the reel I have mounted on the bulk loader/development reel loader.

There is another page I will have to shoot again that shows/illustrates loading a reel for development. My suspected Kindermann reel has the tab that is usually standing out as a prong that can be used as a crank has been bent to not protrude. I will likely try to bend it back out to restore the crank ability, but I am concerned about breakage.

My suspected Kindermann reel has a snug fit on my Version 2 Kindermann loader. The wagon wheel version reels are Nikor's??? If so these reels have too narrow a spindle to fit my Version 2 loader.

The version one has a thinner axel/shaft and utilizes a bushing for the Kindermann reel. I suspect that the Nikor reels would also work, but with a different thinner bushing.

I could modify my version 2 loader, but I'm not sure it would be reversible, and it would be more of a permanent mod. The pictures I sent you today will make obvious any un-clarity.

Cal
 
Here's the Nikor tank to go with your reels

Notice the homemade SS double 70mm tank That would take a gallon of stock

With the Nikor the top is in the center of the tank. I think it's a Nikor 35mm tank top and lid.
Like the Kindermann the top is prolly removable and disassembles into pieces

OMG OMG OMG!!! Look what Dad got me as a gift!!!! Nikor 70mm developing tank!!! These things are IMPOSSIBLE to find!!! #70mm #ilovefim #ishootfilm #mediumformat #nikor #film #family #dad #developing #winning #work #chemistry #116 #616 #yes by Stone, on Flickr
 
Nokton48 said:
Here's the Nikor tank to go with your reels

Notice the homemade SS double 70mm tank That would take a gallon of stock

With the Nikor the top is in the center of the tank. I think it's a Nikor 35mm tank top and lid.
Like the Kindermann the top is prolly removable and disassembles into pieces

OMG OMG OMG!!! Look what Dad got me as a gift!!!! Nikor 70mm developing tank!!! These things are IMPOSSIBLE to find!!! #70mm #ilovefim #ishootfilm #mediumformat #nikor #film #family #dad #developing #winning #work #chemistry #116 #616 #yes by Stone, on Flickr
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Dan,

Mucho thanks for reposting the tank shots. So now I know for certain that I own two Nikor reels and a Kindermann.

My Linhof Consultant advised me I could cut down a JOBO 3063 Expert Tank that has an 8 inch diameter. This is a tank for up to 20x24 inch prints, but they are rather costly.

I wonder how I might adapt a stainless steel pot or make a tank...

So here is the smut: the Rollie 400S is mighty cheap and brings the cost of shooting down to under $3.00 a roll of 120 equiv; 15 foot reels allow me over 60 exposes of 6x7 without having to reload, or over 120 645's; a 15 foot reel uses less developer to submerge the reel and lessens the amount of time required for processing film.

The biggest reason is to be able to shoot medium format like 35mm due to lower costs and not missing shots due to reloading. Basically 70mm makes medium format more efficient in costs, speed, and convenience.

Really not so crazy if one like to do mucho image capture.

Cal
 
Calzone said:
I wonder how I might adapt a stainless steel pot or make a tank... l
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I think it would not be terribly difficult to create such a thing, with the right resources. These 70mm tanks utilize removable standard 35mm tank tops and lids, so you could adapt something. An old Patterson or Kindermann 35mm tank could be cut down and dropped and secured into a plastic or SS pot. Could be a one or two reeler. Could be soldered, welded or otherwise attached, whatever you discover works best. This would give you something you can't buy in the commercial marketplace, off the shelf. I like to do custom stuff like this. You should persue it.

-Dan
 
Nokton48 said:
I think it would not be terribly difficult to create such a thing, with the right resources. These 70mm tanks utilize removable standard 35mm tank tops and lids, so you could adapt something. An old Patterson or Kindermann 35mm tank could be cut down and dropped and secured into a plastic or SS pot. Could be a one or two reeler. Could be soldered, welded or otherwise attached, whatever you discover works best. This would give you something you can't buy in the commercial marketplace, off the shelf. I like to do custom stuff like this. You should persue it.

-Dan
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Dan,

Here in NYC are all these restaurant supply wholesalers, and then there are all these thrift stores.

I got a Nikor non-daylight tank that is like a small cake or hat box. I'm considering getting a spare Nikor daylight cover and having it added to the lid to make a one reel daylight tank.

Cal
 
Well today I finally pulled the trigger and purchased my a70, some cassettes and 100 ft of kodak xx aero film as well as an NDT dental reel.

After faffing about for ages telling myself id order some things or do something first after another london fashion week spent changing a12 film backs it will hopefully be worth it
 
Jake Mongey said:
Well today I finally pulled the trigger and purchased my a70, some cassettes and 100 ft of kodak xx aero film as well as an NDT dental reel. After faffing about for ages telling myself id order some things or do something first after another london fashion week spent changing a12 film backs it will hopefully be worth it
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Hi Jake,

That is great news. Certainly there is help for you here if you have any issues. So far all of my experiences with 70mm have been good and positive.
If it's Aero Plus-X it's prolly 150 feet, so that is 50% more film stock for the money.

-Dan
 
If It's Plus-X Aerographic 2402, then I have two 150 foot rolls of it myself. So perhaps we can discuss with each other the best way to develop.

Also I have a respooled 120 roll of 2402 I bought from Nik N Trik. That will be good for testing.
 
Nokton48 said:
If It's Plus-X Aerographic 2402, then I have two 150 foot rolls of it myself. So perhaps we can discuss with each other the best way to develop.

Also I have a respooled 120 roll of 2402 I bought from Nik N Trik. That will be good for testing.
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I think is that, heres a link to the ebay listing, im not sure if you will still be able to view it:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362094844525

Once I have it, when loading how will I be able to tell which is the emulsion side and how exactly do I load the cassettes. once the fim is in the cassette with the leader out is it light tight?
 
Jake,

Here is what you ordered. It is Kodak Super-XX 70mm. This is type II perferated film, so it will go through your Hasselblad A70. I've never shot any Super-XX, although I think I once had a box of 4x5. It was great film. When you get the cassettes I will be happy to tell you how to load them without any hassles. Once the cartridge is loaded in the dark it can be handled and loaded in subdued lighting.


Jakes Super XX 70mm by Nokton48, on Flickr
 
Nokton48 said:
Jake,

Here is what you ordered. It is Kodak Super-XX 70mm. This is type II perferated film, so it will go through your Hasselblad A70. I've never shot any Super-XX, although I think I once had a box of 4x5. It was great film. When you get the cassettes I will be happy to tell you how to load them without any hassles. Once the cartridge is loaded in the dark it can be handled and loaded in subdued lighting.


Jakes Super XX 70mm by Nokton48, on Flickr
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Thanks, Im going to shoot a test length when everything arives and bracket from 12 -100, as for developer I am thinking of microphen in order to attempt to gain an increase in the effective film speed? Any developer you would reccomend from experience?
 
Hmmm Turns out Super XX film had quite a following. I found this googleing around;

I picked up 5 boxes of 4x5 Super XX from the early 1990's and fixed a test sheet to see how much fog was present and was surprised that it was not that bad. Keeping it in a freezer is a good idea. The amazing this about this film is that it can print through an amazing amount of fog and still produce marvelous prints because the density curve goes to the moon on a straight line. I saw Michael Smith print negatives that had such edge fog that the film could be used to protect your eyes when welding. If you are going to contact print this film I would go with ABC pyro. That is what I am planning to use because I know that it works. If I wanted to projection print with it I would used pyrocat (because it is a finer developer) or HC110, D76 or ? Have fun.


Perhaps Microphen then, it was recommended to me for some old very expired Orwo 6x9cm sheet film I recently purchased, but I have not tried it yet. Or Pyrocat or HC110.

It turns out that Super XX is highly coveted and nearly impossible to find. A wonderful snag on your part. Hope it works well for you.
 
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