A Curmudgeon looks at film, digital and kids in photography.

Wayne R. Scott

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I have had the privilege and pleasure of judging photography of 4H youths at our local county fairs for the past few summers. For our international members: 4-H is a community of young people across America who are learning leadership, citizenship and life skills. The 4H’s stand for Head, Heart, Hands, and Health are the four H's in 4-H, and they are the four values our members work on through fun and engaging programs. The kid’s range from 4th grade through senior high school.

Some of my observations from working at various counties follow.

Many, many of the youths are hungry for knowledge in photography, but do not know where to go to gain the knowledge. They have little or no training in art, design or photography. Still, I am amazed at what some of the kid’s can do with the simplest of cameras!! So far not one child in the approximately 3000 that I have talked with in the past 5 years has used or can even name Leica as a camera. Two kid’s have used Hasselblad, but mommy and aunt Ruth are professional photographers.

Last year at one of the fairs I met an amazing young man that loves photography, but has only a lowly fixed lens point & shoot camera and he uses (gasp) film. But he always has it with him. He won best of show with his photo of a horse in a pasture, the horse was rim lighted by the rising sun through early morning fog. He had his camera with him on the way to school and saw the horse, fog and sunlight. He asked his mom to back up the car and let him take the picture. Bingo, he has used his most important tools available, his eyes and the gray matter behind them!!

Fast forward to this year, same county fair, same youth, same camera, same eyes and same brain. On his farm a raccoon had raided his chicken coop and killed a hen that left 5 baby chicks orphaned. While he was caring for them he thought they would make a cute picture. He went over to his neighbor’s house and grabbed the end of a roll of white butcher paper. (Here in Iowa the kids know that bacon does not come from seeds) He draped the 6’ length of butcher paper over the porch swing for a back drop, placed one of his mother’s china coffee cups on the paper, then proceeded to shoot a couple of rolls of film of the chicks on the white background in and around the coffee cup. The lighting was from 3 windows that surrounded the porch. The end result could not have been better if it had been lighted with $10,000 worth of studio lights. The best of show photo was of one chick leaning the side of his head against the coffee cup while another chick was peering over the rim of the coffee cup from inside while standing on the back of one of his siblings. The other two were out of the picture doing what ever it is that 3 week old chicks do. I would like to see what this kid could do with a choice of focal lengths, a light meter and maybe a 4x5 view camera.

Most of the kids are shooting crappy digital cameras of around 2 mega pixels and they are wondering why their 8x10’s don’t look as good as the 4x6’s. Some of the kids that have more disposable income in the family have higher quality digital cameras and it shows in the quality of the print, not necessarily in the content.

About 1/3 of the kids write in their goals that they would like to shoot and develop B&W film but don’t know where to go to get it. The few that have a darkroom available at their school have produced flat lifeless muddy prints. I think this is due to any number of things, probably exhausted developer and fixer and a safe light that isn’t safe.

Where is this long diatribe going? I think we should apply the Amway principle to rangefinder and film photography to our youth. If each one of us would just take the time to help two kids learn the basic principles of photography and then if each of them would teach two people and so on soon the world would be filled with more knowledgeable photographers. YEAH!!!

This is a great forum with very knowledgeable people and we can make a difference, even if only one or two at a time. Plus, you never know what you can learn from some of these amazing youths.

Wayne
 
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Great story, Wayne. I'd love to see the photos of these contests.

You're right about spreading the photography word. But just like those kids not knowing where to get B&W film or more information, I don't know where to meet interested kids and not having to worry about being seen as some tricked-out freaky pervert.

In my experience (I was an assistent scout leader for a few year some 15 years ago) most children/youths are not interested in learning photography at all. In fact, most aren't interested in learning anything if it means they have put in effort, patience and time. I don't mind teaching someone by example, even if it takes months or years, but often I found that as soon as "the lesson" is over the interest fades as well. TV, games, ring tones, chatting, sms'ing and girls/boys are more interesting to them (and can you blame them?). Maybe it's just that I'm becoming an old fart.... 😛
 
Thank you for your comments Glenbarn. And welcome to the forum, I see that you are fairly new here.

RML--

You have some very valid points about our youth. I do see many that could care less about learning, but I do see many that want to learn and a very few that will learn no matter what.

I know what you mean about approaching youth groups as a photographer, some parents may percieve you a pedophile, God Forbid. I am not sure about your location and youth groups, but here the 4H organization allow you to attend their monthly meetings and will even schedule time for you to talk with both parents and kids on photography, or sewing, or baking cookies, or raising sheep, swine, etc. They are always looking for volunteers.

As far as veiwing the photos, I'll see if I can get some examples in the next couple of weeks and post them to this thread.

I forgot to mention that I see about 90% photos of "my cat", "my dog", "this is my mom's flower garden", or "these are my siblings at ________" (insert Disney World, Chicago Museum of Natural History, St. Loius Arch, or Minnesota fishing trip). Some times I think if I see another cat or flower picture I am going to scream, but I tell each kid that if they like the picture that is all that really matters as it is their photo. It is a symbol of their life and it will invoke memories for them that it will never invoke in me the judge. Their memories of "Fluffy" are far more important than if some judge thinks it should get a red ribbon instead of a blue ribbon.

Wayne
 
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When we meet kids in adolescence, they seem uninterested in what we adults offer. In reality they crave it. They want recognition for what they can do. I know. I was one once. I see it in my son and in my two step sons who are men now.

I think the way to play it is to engage them. Give positive feedback when it is deserved and go light on critique. Most adolescents find it difficult to manage. It's a hormonal problem, really. Typically they find a way to work with what is offered.

We help by pointing out where to find the film. We can also help by pointing out that they don't have to get that top notch gear to get it right. Tell them it is in the eyes and in the heart. The rest follows.
 
Wayne,
Great story! Couple of things:
Those kids illustrate very well one of my contentions about photography--namely that the gear is ultimately the least important part of this endeavour. As much as a gear-head as I am it pains me a bit to say that out loud.
I have a nephew who is turning 14 in a few days and he has been fascinated by my motley cameras for a long time. As soon as I figured he wouldn't drop 'em I've let him take some photos whenecer we have been hanging out. The pictures are mostly OK, some awful, and a few have been very good indeed(sound kind of familiar?). I have answered his questions as best I could. And not criticsized his "artistic" choices.
Starting a few months ago he, oh so casualy(he IS a teenager after all)mentioned that he didn't have a real camera. Birthday present solved! I am giving him a basic (sorry folks) SLR and 3 prime lenses. And a bunch of film; color and BW all C-41 to go with the gift card that I will stipulate is to be used for processing and prints.
I didn't pick a RF camera mostly because I can't afford one that is either not too fiddly or not especially reliable. I love my FSU gear but that stuff isn't IMHO right for a 14 year old.
I would not feel comfortable spending the time he and I spend together except that we are related.
I have two other young relatives but one's just a year old and the other is all of three so I am not at the "amway" point yet.
Rob
 
Excellent post Wayne. Something we do well to be reminded of from time to time.

RML - Finding teens/youngsters to interact with may not be as hard as you think, depending on what groups you are/are not associated with. Family is a good start. Church, school, fraturnal groups, or wife's church, school, charity, etc. Of course, not all (many?) are going to be interested in photography, but for those that are, what opportunity!

My problem is time. I also have thought from time to time about how I might engage younger people from less useful endeavors, but always I run into that same stone wall: time. :bang:
 
Wayne R. Scott said:
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About 1/3 of the kids write in their goals that they would like to shoot and develop B&W film but don’t know where to go to get it. </snip>

Wayne

The sad thing about this is; as more and more youth become interested in photography or at least in film photography, the film will become harder to come by 🙁

Kodak's recent "restructuring" is, by my understanding, primarily due to the impact that digital (as crappy as the smaller cameras are) has had on photography. Digital is far too prevalent for the consumer nowadays. For the professional; I think film, medium and large format, still has the edge.

The other sad part about this is the lack of archiving that people tend to do when it comes to digital - sure, some will burn CD's or DVD's but it's been shown that these too degrade over time and who knows if these will still be a standard 50 years down the road... imagine trying to find a CD player 100 years from now???

But with respect to your other comments, I think it's great that there are children and young adults out there that are interested in pursuing photography - both as a hobby and, perhaps, as more.

Cheers
Dave
 
dcsang said:
imagine trying to find a CD player 100 years from now???

I dont have to imagine, I'm having exactly the same problem finding 16mm reels to develop my submini film, finding someone to develop the roll of E-4 slide film that turned up at mom's this weekend, nobody in town not even the professional labs can do traditional prints from my 16mm negatives, so I'll have to scan them, which - oh btw...if film dies dead enough you wont have Minolta and HP selling these nifty film scanners, we'll all have a dedicated machine that we dont DARE hook up to the internet because Microsoft quit issuing support patches for it 15 years ago, and the new stuff doesnt support our old usb film scanners.

Just because you can hold it up to the light and see the picture doesnt mean that it can't become next to useless without support equipment.
 
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Excellent post by Wayne! The 4H program has been an outstanding program for many years. It's no surprise they "turn out" excellent kids. Too bad city folk don't have something similar!

One other thing about young folks is the increasing emphasis on camera phones. With the advent of multi-megapix phones and good lens on the phones---that may be all they want!

Paul
 
Great post Wayne

I am a teacher and coach so I get to interact with youth everyday, and I'll tell you, it is often the best thing about my day.

I don't typically have some of the same problems relating to youth because I look so young myself and I tend to wear simmilar clothes and listen to the same music. I also think it helps that I am a pretty big guy, so the boys come online quickly. I would also state that most teen attitudes regarding learning stem from past experiences. Everyone wants to be successful, and enjoys learning more if the can feel that they have some success at it. To that end, if you can make someone feel like they are doing well at their chosen task, then they are far more likely to continue with it and begin to seek out their own learning. That said, I know it took me until past highschool to understand how to learn on my own, and that it was necessary to continued enjoyment of whatever I was doing.

I liken learning photography to learning tennis or golf, often times fancy-shmancy equipment designed for people who can utilize it gets in the way of the beginner. What made me a better tennis player was using a crappy raquet and getting the basics down before buying a composite one. Not only that, but when one learns using basic tools, one can really appreciate the 'extras' in premium tools, if one even feels the need at that point to get them.

You are perfectly spot on when you mention photography as a way of seeing, and that the most important skill is mastery of one's eye and brain. Creativity will always find a way to shine past inferior equipment.

Thanks for a great read, and encouraging people into working with youth, it's one of my pet issues.
 
cp_ste-croix said:
What made me a better tennis player was using a crappy raquet and getting the basics down before buying a composite one. Not only that, but when one learns using basic tools, one can really appreciate the 'extras' in premium tools, if one even feels the need at that point to get them.

I think I've shared this story here before, but when I was in high school I didn't take a photography course, but some friends of mine who did had what I thought was a strange course requirement. They were required to purchase and use a particular kind of very nasty el-cheapo box camera and use it for the course.

The reasoning was twofold. First it leveled the playing field, the kids who could afford nice cameras did not have an advantage. Second, it was supposed to be a course in taking photographs, not operating fancy equipment. Yes, I see a strong parallel here.

Thanks for a great read, and encouraging people into working with youth, it's one of my pet issues.

Not all kids spend all of their time playing violent games and IM'ing each other. Things like your 4H projects can show kids that photography is cool, just like Harry Potter has shown many of today's kids that reading can be cool. 🙂
 
My 13 year old baby sitter has been fascinated enough by all of my cameras that last christmas I gave her a Pentax K1000 and 50/1.8 (IIRC). That's kept her interest well. Now, well, she was certainly fascinated by the Speed Graphic when I had it out the other day to work on it... 😱

I'll have to set it up in the backyard next time she's over and show her how it works from box of film through to developed neg. That should be quite the experiance for her.

William
 
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