A first venture into Leica M Cameras

kvanderlaag

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I suppose one could say that, in the past year, I've suffered a string of events in my life that led to a critical buildup of stress and tension, and a shaking in the faith of my choices in life -- a midlife crisis would be an adequate description if I were perhaps twenty or thirty years older! I thought I'd coped just fine with the added stress and the readjustment of my life, and I'd pretty well settled back into photography with a few SLRs and a handful of rangefinders, and honestly, I've been fairly comfortable as it was.

However, I realized something lately. The nicest RF I own at the moment is really a toss-up between my Kiev and my Fujica 35-SE. While the Kiev is a nice camera, and a copy of a brilliant design, and the Fujica is nice and bright, they're both a little awkward to hold, and are sort of lacking in the department of function as far as being solid, reliable, diverse users goes.

So lately, I've been entertaining the thought of an M mount camera. While I'm in the wrong life to be able to afford an MP or M7 a la carte (or even just one of the stock cameras, but hey, if I'm going to dream obviously, I may as well do it big!) I've been eyeing a CV Bessa R2/R3, but then the idea hit me that was a real killer.

The M3, M2, or M4 really don't go for all that much on certain auction sites, or in the few used inventories I've seen, by most standards. I've heard wonderful things about the M3 viewfinder being the gold standard for brightness and contrast, and about M lenses being superb in optical quality, and easy to focus.

The CL struck me as a very viable choice, and actually my dream camera of choice, simply due to its compact figure and M mount, but it worries me for two reasons. Firstly, and most obviously, is the short RF base, making telephoto lenses an almost definite no-no. Secondly is that I've heard of incompatibilities between lenses for the larger M mount cameras and the CL body, in which the body is actually damaged by mounting the lens. I don't know how much of an issue this really is, and maybe someone with more knowledge of the CL than I could shed some light on it?

I think what really strikes me about the M mount cameras is the sheer versatility evident in the number of lenses available in M mount, and it's at least doubled by the use of an M-LTM adapter. The idea of RF coupled focusing on a body with a brilliantly bright viewfinder, and compatibility with my nice, cheap Soviet lenses, as well as more expensive German glass, is very, very comforting.

I guess it really boils down to this, then: The CL (KEH has a bargain body for about $300), the Bessa R2/R3, or the Leica M2? I've got very little personal experience with these cameras, and the local shops here don't much carry rangefinders -- I think there's one that carries an original R or two, which doesn't much help me in chosing an M body.

If anyone has a bias, an opinion, or some experience with these cameras, I'm interested to hear by all means, because I'm having a hard time deciding between them.

(Ideally, I'd love an Epson R-D1, but the problem remains my inability to put together $4000 for a digital camera -- the closest I'm going to get is shooting B&W and developing myself, and then scanning the negs.)
 
If you really want a Leica, take the oportunity and get a Leica. Set aside some money and some time and buy one from someone you trust who will let you pick up the camera and test it out. Going with the auction site is a good idea if you can't find any good deals elsewhere, but support the little shops in your area first if only just because they'll let you touch and get a feel for the camera *and* you'll know that it works when you bought it.

For any used camera (that hasn't been CLA'd recently), factor in 200-250 for a CLA to bring it back to perfect working order. Leave yourself some extra money for film, perhaps some filters, and whichever lens you want. All in all, depending on what you want, you could get a Leica M2 for 600-700 USD and a Summicron for ~$350-$500. This is just slightly higher than the price you'd pay for a Bessa R2/3A and Voigtlander lens. You'd have to factor in the money for a light meter, though, with the M2, but that isn't really a problem as there are plenty of nice cheap ones that work.
 
The prices are very good, the cameras are well-designed and well-made and the range of lenses and their prices are very good too.

The R2A and R3A are the two models to look into. Actually they are more or less the same camera with slight viewfinder differences.

Then you must choose black, silver or grey.
 
I have to say, I'm very impressed with the 1:1 viewfinder on the R3A, but I'd kill to have a show that'd bring one in to let me try -- it's times like this I wish any shops around here stocked film gear anymore.

The really tearing thing now is between Leica or not. The Bessa's definitely a quality piece of equipment, with a lot of things that are really noteworthy in a film RF, but that inconvenient, uncomfortable fact remains -- It's not a Leica.

Ah, spending money, why do you have to be so hard and involve so much thought?
 
A camera is an investment. Just make sure that you're getting one that you're comfortable using. I was scoffed at when, after I bought my Nikon SLR, I started looking at buying a rangefinder. People told me that I had a camera...why did I need another one? I wasn't as comfortable with the Nikon as I am with a rangefinder and I have to say that the smartest thing I've ever done is selling the thing. I never used a lens over 85mm anyway and I really didn't need aperture priority auto.

Spending money *should* be hard where this is concerned. Cameras, if taken care of properly, last for most of your life. It isn't a decision you really want to make lightly.
 
Exactly. That's the bulk of the issue, really -- I'm not about to spend upwards of $700 on a camera that I'm going to use infrequenrtly, and so it has to be a camera that is both an example of form and function. Leicas are generally regarded as timeless for this purpose, but the Bessa appears to have all the features and such, at a lower price, with the addition of being new merchandise, meaning it comes under warranty.

The other problem lies in trying to find an M2 for a competitive price, especially on a certain auction site.

I think this is going to be a rather long process, and I'm perfectly comfortable with that. I'm going to go in and talk with a few dealers around here, and see if they have any idea what I'm talking about when I bring up the Bessa, and if so, if it would be possible to have them order one for me, and all the specifics, and such.

I've got all the time in the world to figure out exactly what it is I want in my Rangefinder, since I still need to put together the cash for it anyways.

Thanks for all the help, Steph and Jon!
 
I remember a few months ago when I fist had the chance to hold an M3 at a local Leica dealer shop. I just fell in love with it. So simple, robust, promising. Ohh, and that viewfinder . . . so bright and crisp & accurate. It just gets me into the right mood to take the best pictures I can produce at each time.
I just bought it . . . and I am glad I did. OK, I paid a little premium compaired to the price I could get from an ebay auction, but I had it in front of me, in Exc+ condition, high serial number and a 6 month warranty for 1000euros with a somewhat heavily used Summicron 50 which takes fabulus b&w pictures although it has several minor scratches.
However I have no experience in using anything but the 50mm focal length. If you need wide or telephoto lenses, I am not sure if M3 would be your best choice.

cheers

Nondas
 
Well, if you buy a Bessa, you won't stop looking at the Leicas, will you? If you like your camera, you take better pictures, even if only the lens and film are actually involved in the picutre forming process, in my opinion. If you want to rationalize things: If you buy a new Bessa it will plunge in value. A used Leica will keep its value better. Both cameras are excellent choises, of course. (I have had a Bessa R2 and now have an M6.)

/Matti
 
Figure out what lenses you think you will use, knowing that should help a lot. If you are itching for or thinking seriously about a Leica, get a Leica, because you will evenually.

An M2 is a good choice, the alternative would be an M4 or M3, that way you can avoid old electronics that will just be expensive to repair.

/Håkan
 
From my own experience and all what I've seen, if you already have it in mind, then you'll end getting a leica anyway. But any of the options you mention (Bessa, CL, Leica M) will serve you equally well.
 
Taffer: I think you're probably right about the fact that I'll just end up purchasing a Leica anyways -- do you have any idea as to the extent of lens incompatibility with the CL? I noticed a few shots with one in your PAW gallery, and I thought perhaps you might know?

Edit: (Actually, on closer inspection, it seems that the only lenses with real problems are collapsibles, old M3 lenses with bug eyes, and wides with protruding lens elements anyhow. Given my budget, I don't think I can afford ANY of those, so the CL still seems to be a wonderful choice!)
 
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My 2 cents:

Decide whether you want/need a built-in meter. If yes, that will narrow your selection of cameras.

Decide which lenses you will be using. That will influence which cameras to look at.

Pick up and handle a Bessa R2a or b, and a Leica. If you can't feel the difference in the Leica, you will probably be happy with a Bessa. If you can feel a Leica difference, then you're infected and the choice is clear.

Some people can feel it some can't. It is neither good nor bad if you can or can't. It simply is.
 
Just a quick update on all of this:

I managed to get in and fondle a Bessa R2, as well as an old M2 they had on display, an M3, and an M7. I think I was least impressed with the M7 out of all of the cameras, and the Bessa ranked right up there. (I couldn't feel the difference between the Bessa and the M2, really.) So the Bessa looks like a strong contender.

However, that still leaves the CL to choose from, and honestly, NOBODY around here has a CL. So, naturally, I did the only thing that seemed reasonable at the time -- I bought one. Okay, in hindsight, this seems like a very stupid thing to have done. However, I got it cheaper than I was expecting, and if it's really not the camera for me, I have no problems selling it and going for the Bessa, even if I end up losing a couple bucks in the process. (The CL doesn't strike me as the type of camera that will lose value in working condition. Does it to anyone else?) Now I just have to give it a week to get here, and see whether or not I like the thing.
 
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