A stranger told me film is back..

[Guth]

When push comes to shove they're using the chimpable camera.
Those K1000s are probably mostly for show.

The new turntables popular now are either very poor quality
or are extremely inconvenient to use.
I suspect the same applies.

I've never stopped listening to LPs and convenience has never been part of the value equation for me. Some people just enjoy the ritual/process involved along with the end result (my vinyl playback sounds fantastic). If you compare apples to apples and look around on audio forums you'll find people whose turntable investments far exceed anything photo-related that I'm aware of. Leica gear seems like a bargain by comparison.

People used to say the all of the same things about the vinyl resurgence as many are saying about the rising popularity of film use today. There are likely more turntable manufacturers now than at any time in the past. The majority of which are far higher quality than the starter turntables. Again, a lot of parallels to photography.

Starting off with a cheap turntable or a cheap film camera is likely just the beginning for a percentage of those dipping their toes in the water so to speak.

 

[Skiff]

Was it Jan?

No.
Jan was at hospital at that time, suffering from a very severe illness.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

I've never stopped listening to LPs and convenience has never been part of the value equation for me. Some people just enjoy the ritual/process involved along with the end result (my vinyl playback sounds fantastic). If you compare apples to apples and look around on audio forums you'll find people whose turntable investments far exceed anything photo-related that I'm aware of. Leica gear seems like a bargain by comparison.

People used to say the all of the same things about the vinyl resurgence as many are saying about the rising popularity of film use today. There are likely more turntable manufacturers now than at any time in the past. The majority of which are far higher quality than the starter turntables. Again, a lot of parallels to photography.

Starting off with a cheap turntable or a cheap film camera is likely just the beginning for a percentage of those dipping their toes in the water so to speak.

Excuse me, but reality is different. Almost every big store I go has not expensive TT. I purchased one new style compact TT in Superstore which is Canadian Walmart and in Walmart itself the number of LP has grown.
Here are many used old TT available and I have two of old German.
Easy to fix, thanks for TT forum.
The only “expensive” part in my TT setup is refurbished Marantz amplifier or how it is called, I sold one not in use lens and purchased it.
TT has nothing to do with film use, it is much more present in many stores and numbers of LP sold has grown. Canadian company is selling small press units, something which was not existing before.
How many compact film coating machines were sold? None. They are not existing, no demands for it. Just one Adox.

Also, LP quality is way better than apple streaming on the butts.
And I don’t have to deal with phone and computer for LP.
Everything is in the album. Music, text and pictures. Different quality of life.
LP is not for fastfooders mentality 🙂

 

[Guth]

Excuse me, but reality is different. Almost every big store I go has not expensive TT. I purchased one new style compact TT in Superstore which is Canadian Walmart and in Walmart itself the number of LP has grown.
Here are many used old TT available and I have two of old German.
Easy to fix, thanks for TT forum.
The only “expensive” part in my TT setup is refurbished Marantz amplifier or how it is called, I sold one not in use lens and purchased it.
TT has nothing to do with film use, it is much more present in many stores and numbers of LP sold has grown. Canadian company is selling small press units, something which was not existing before.
How many compact film coating machines were sold? None. They are not existing, no demands for it. Just one Adox.

Also, LP quality is way better than apple streaming on the butts.
And I don’t have to deal with phone and computer for LP.
Everything is in the album. Music, text and pictures. Different quality of life.
LP is not for fastfooders mentality 🙂

You are more or less just reaffirming my point.

Yes, these days you can walk into your Superstore and purchase a turntable and vinyl LPs to play on that turntable. But that sure wasn't the case just a few decades ago. The resurgence of vinyl has not been an overnight process. If there is to be a similar resurgence of film use then it too will likely take a substantial amount of time. In the vinyl playback world there are now new record pressing plants starting to crop up and even analog-based recording studios are starting to appear. These things were unimaginable to me back in the late 90's when I couldn't even give my old Technics turntable away (I had replaced it with a new turntable.) I literally threw my old Technics TT in the dumpster as none of my friends had any interest at all. That depressed me but I simply did not have the space to keep it back then.

I would disagree about LPs not being for fastfooders mentality. There is likely far more overlap than you can imagine. Most of todays young LP adapters are doing so primarily because it's "in". People can go on about the superior quality of vinyl records, but when someone is playing them back via a cheap cartridge mounted to a cheap tonearm on a cheap turntable likely with it's own cheap preamp such talk is far from realistic. But the appreciation of large cover art and liner notes is real. So it the enjoyment that many get from the process of putting on a record, listening to a complete side and then repeating that process. There has to be a starting point. As long as someone thinks it's better then maybe that is all that matters.

Many people are now using the turntable equivalent of a very cheap point 'n shoot camera. But as their involvement grows they might start to move up the chain of quality, just as people do in the world of photography. Used turntables are also very much in demand. My old Technics would fetch quite a bit more now than what I paid for it back in the day (not enough to cover inflation, but that's besides the point in this case). Lots of parallels, but just shifted in time.

 

[Yokosuka Mike]

It’s always a real treat to listen to my old Baja Marimba Band LPs.

I enjoy ‘60s instrumental Pop music.

All the best,
Mike

 

[Ko.Fe.]

You are more or less just reaffirming my point.

Yes, these days you can walk into your Superstore and purchase a turntable and vinyl LPs to play on that turntable. But that sure wasn't the case just a few decades ago. The resurgence of vinyl has not been an overnight process. If there is to be a similar resurgence of film use then it too will likely take a substantial amount of time. In the vinyl playback world there are now new record pressing plants starting to crop up and even analog-based recording studios are starting to appear. These things were unimaginable to me back in the late 90's when I couldn't even give my old Technics turntable away (I had replaced it with a new turntable.) I literally threw my old Technics TT in the dumpster as none of my friends had any interest at all. That depressed me but I simply did not have the space to keep it back then.

I would disagree about LPs not being for fastfooders mentality. There is likely far more overlap than you can imagine. Most of todays young LP adapters are doing so primarily because it's "in". People can go on about the superior quality of vinyl records, but when someone is playing them back via a cheap cartridge mounted to a cheap tonearm on a cheap turntable likely with it's own cheap preamp such talk is far from realistic. But the appreciation of large cover art and liner notes is real. So it the enjoyment that many get from the process of putting on a record, listening to a complete side and then repeating that process. There has to be a starting point. As long as someone thinks it's better then maybe that is all that matters.

Many people are now using the turntable equivalent of a very cheap point 'n shoot camera. But as their involvement grows they might start to move up the chain of quality, just as people do in the world of photography. Used turntables are also very much in demand. My old Technics would fetch quite a bit more now than what I paid for it back in the day (not enough to cover inflation, but that's besides the point in this case). Lots of parallels, but just shifted in time.

I have seen records like Doors been dumped into trash in 2004. Now they are expensive records. Or at least they are easy to sell.

I would never say anything about "superior" sound quality of LP. I'm in the broadcast after all. Vinyl is nothing but consumer product. They could fool themselves with tens of thousands spend on something similar what Hoof sells in his UFO page, but it is consumer sound quality.
And I'm fine with it as professional and consumer.

We had new technology meeting at my current job on previous week. Apparently Dolby is something "new" again, with some additions.
For example, if I have updated car with updated audio system, it will sense Dolby and play it accordingly. Quality would be where, but my family spend those money for buying rugged hybrid instead with nothing special audio. I have to hear kids and then they are not talking I have to hear their music from phones butts 🙂

One LP story. I have new colleague who has collection of USSR LPs.
He gave me four and I forgot them on Go Bus at the same day. Three weeks later I picked them at Lost&Found. Nobody needs LP with Russian letters on them, but to me the music on them is original. Just like back then.

 

[Huss]

Lana Del Rey was selling her new LP out of an ice cream truck in Venice about a month ago.
It's really good but what is really impressive is the quality of the pressing. This is one heavy record.

 

[zuiko85]

So, if you are going to make a LP then is the cover art required to be shot with a film camera?
Only seems right.

 

[Guth]

So, if you are going to make a LP then is the cover art required to be shot with a film camera?
Only seems right.

Considering that the vast majority of LP’s these days are recorded, mixed and mastered using digital technology I am going to guess not.