A truly professional XE version

[f16sunshine]

Warning... gear geek danger ahead!


How on earth can we convince Fuji to create a truly pro version in the X- line ?
A bigger body with a bigger battery and more muscle in every category!

This system is great. The lenses are fantastic. I never thought I would be sold on aps sized sensor meeting the needs that a Full frame one provides. Fuji has done that just as they claim.
Now they need to give us a pro model that can power through a day of working (day after day).
The re-fresh is too slow and the buffer is too small. The damn thing just plain seems underpowered compared to my aging 5Dii.
I would accept 50% more weight to have an "engine" that could keep up.
When you absolutely need the capacity you need it.
It seems simple. Build a pro body ala the D4 or 1Dx type models.

Some may point to the XT1 but you know what ?.... it needs more "power" also.

What would your pro- Fuji Xx version look like ?

 

[FrankS]

XPro2 coming soon. 🙂

 

[f16sunshine]

The iPhone 6+ showed us one thing. Larger bodies allow more performance and battery life to fit into a device.
Camera makers need to take note. Fuji should lead the way.

Here is what I would like.


Larger body with large integrated side and bottom grips.
The new Zooms are monsters on the current bodies as are the longer fast primes. Why build pro lenses and consumer bodies to mount them on?
I checked out the xt1 with the 50-140 when I stopped by Kenmore camera on saturday.
OK,...Never mind what it would be like on my XE1. The larger XT1 was too small for that lens.
Fuji already has a few lenses that dwarf the bodies they offer. Solution... bigger bodies.
Include a "portrait" shutter release and focus buttons. Make us a classic pro body!

Twin Card slots or possibly even integrated storage and card slots.
Make it splittable so the RAWs can go on one card and jpegs on another. Connect the jpeg card to wifi.

Bigger high capacity batteries. Size is the only solution for battery capacity. Small convenient batteries is not an option for this model. Build in USB charging !

Big High magnification High Resolution EVF.
Built in diopter. No compromises. Put the VF on the left side ala XE1/2 style. Skip the hump!

Larger programable lockable dials and buttons.
It's not difficult to make dials grown up sized. I want to use my finger tips not my finger nails to push an area of a dial!

Keep the small fill flash on board.
The XE1 flash is very convenient. It's flexible and easy to bounce as well as defuse. The entire mechanism is quite small and seems quite easy to design into a new camera.

It would be a design we have not seen before. A VF offset twin grip body without a "hump".

What else do other want to see?

 

[Jamie Pillers]

Well, as long as we're just wishing, and not paying:
Throw in the optical viewfinder option now in the X100 series. And I suspect anyone wanting what you've described above would want the latest wifi features. And the LCD screen should be the kind that can be flipped around into the reversed, closed position.
Still thinkin...

 

[JoeV]

If it's going to actually be marketed for "pros" - meaning those who make their living as professional photographers, then they have to compete with Canikon with long, fast telephoto lenses and a level of service tailored for the professional. And camera bodies that have multiple card slots, including the fastest, biggest format of cards, ones that will record many minutes of 4k video. And true weatherproofed lenses and bodies.

I'm afraid what many here on RFF mean by a "pro" camera is really a better-built enthusiast consumer camera.

~Joe

 

[FrankS]

I disagree, Joe. Not every professional camera needs the capabilities of the canikon dslr's. Sometimes/for some jobs, an xpro2 would be ideal. Some jobs do not entail video, or super long lenses.

 

[harpofreely]

Andy's version sounds pretty good to me, so long as the big EVF is glasses-friendly. I can live without OVF and would prefer not to have an articulated screen. No hump! No pretending it's a canikon, just more power and utility applied to Fuji's strengths.

I know this would be market suicide, but I'd love to see video removed altogether.

 

[back alley]

the older my knees and back get the more i'm interested in an articulated screen...

 

[jsrockit]

I'm hoping the X-Pro2 comes close.

 

[f16sunshine]

If it's going to actually be marketed for "pros" - meaning those who make their living as professional photographers, then they have to compete with Canikon with long, fast telephoto lenses and a level of service tailored for the professional. And camera bodies that have multiple card slots, including the fastest, biggest format of cards, ones that will record many minutes of 4k video. And true weatherproofed lenses and bodies.

I'm afraid what many here on RFF mean by a "pro" camera is really a better-built enthusiast consumer camera.

~Joe

Hi JoeV

I think you are both right and wrong on this. Fuji would have to pull out all the stops however....
..It's not necessary to take over the area of the pro market that Nikon and Canon hold.
Fuji could have a place with a relatively lightweight pro model for event and reportage photgraphy.
4K video and uber long focal length sports lenses are not required in order to "get out of the gate" with such a camera.
Fuji now has a few weather resistant zoom lenses.
The current f2.8/16-55 and f2.8/50-140 actually could cover almost anything you throw at a photographer for reportage jobs.

Pro 1 day service would be great but let's face it. Not everyting is going to happen overnight.
Starting is the best place to start and a powerful robust camera is what we need most from a mirrorless maker.

Olympus has come closest. m4/3 does not appeal to me though 😱

 

[Darthfeeble]

This sort of describes a DSLR. One of the things I like about the X100 over the XPro1 is the compact size. One of the things I Love about the XP! over my DSLR is the size and weight.

The iPhone 6+ showed us one thing. Larger bodies allow more performance and battery life to fit into a device.
Camera makers need to take note. Fuji should lead the way.

Here is what I would like.


Larger body with large integrated side and bottom grips.
The new Zooms are monsters on the current bodies as are the longer fast primes. Why build pro lenses and consumer bodies to mount them on?
I checked out the xt1 with the 50-140 when I stopped by Kenmore camera on saturday.
OK,...Never mind what it would be like on my XE1. The larger XT1 was too small for that lens.
Fuji already has a few lenses that dwarf the bodies they offer. Solution... bigger bodies.
Include a "portrait" shutter release and focus buttons. Make us a classic pro body!

Twin Card slots or possibly even integrated storage and card slots.
Make it splittable so the RAWs can go on one card and jpegs on another. Connect the jpeg card to wifi.

Bigger high capacity batteries. Size is the only solution for battery capacity. Small convenient batteries is not an option for this model. Build in USB charging !

Big High magnification High Resolution EVF.
Built in diopter. No compromises. Put the VF on the left side ala XE1/2 style. Skip the hump!

Larger programable lockable dials and buttons.
It's not difficult to make dials grown up sized. I want to use my finger tips not my finger nails to push an area of a dial!

Keep the small fill flash on board.
The XE1 flash is very convenient. It's flexible and easy to bounce as well as defuse. The entire mechanism is quite small and seems quite easy to design into a new camera.

It would be a design we have not seen before. A VF offset twin grip body without a "hump".

What else do other want to see?

 

[jsrockit]

I hope they keep the X-Pro2 the same size as the 1.

 

[f16sunshine]

This sort of describes a DSLR. One of the things I like about the X100 over the XPro1 is the compact size. One of the things I Love about the XP! over my DSLR is the size and weight.

Hi Darth

We already have all those lightweight models.
For most days those are fine. Try using one for a 3-4 hur event where you bump off 1200 frames.
Fumbling with battery changes 3 times and having the processor lock up due to small slow buffer is a real issue.
What I'm proposing is a model in the fuji system that is larger and more powerful yet, continues to use the excellent lenses and aps sensor.
They flirt with such a model via the XT1 but it's not there yet. It uses the same small-ish battery as all the rest and has one SD slot. It's not getting it done.

I love the little cameras too. We have a mess of them to choose from. It's time for a real machine to be the flagship 🙂

 

[Spyderman]

You basically need an X-Pro2 with larger buffers, faster processing speed, weather sealing and a dedicated vertical grip for it which can take some larger battery or multiple small batteries.

I think it would be a foolish step from Fuji to go compete into the world of big pro bodies where any pro Nikanon would blow them away.

 

[DNG]

Not one single maker has a monopoly on Pro cams. If you are diverse enough, you'll have several PRO cams. The job will determine what Cam you use.

RF style cams are great for family sessions outside and portraits. Where max prints won't exceed 16x20, even APS-C can handle that as well as 645 film.

Fuji is for the none high speed jobs. (Sports).

I think the lenses are here now for what they can handle. A larger buffer, and a dual battery body (deeper base) with a faster CPU plus a dual SD slot would round out an X-Pro II

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[f16sunshine]

So Looks like Leica just made the body described in this thread with a full frame sensor and only one available lens at launch.
What is the reason that Fuji should not do this with their aps sensor/lenses ?
I hope they really , really go for it with the Xpro2. Not another hobbiest camera but a camera that says pro and plays pro.

 

[robert blu]

Another hope for the Xpro2 ...soon!
robert

 

[DNG]

Well the second version of the X Pro 1, which is built to a high standard similar to the Leica film cameras and digital cameras with interchangeable lenses. Will need to be placed as a pro camera in a rangefinder category as the Leica's are. The camera already has many of the features of pro needs as far as metering shutter speeds film speed settings excetra, including the lens line.

So Fuji needs a few things the pro needs that are not necessarily standard camera features. That would be a dual memory card slot, more buffer so that the camera can take 50 or 60 raw pictures without locking up. Flash sync that allows a high shutter speed. And a flash that allows high speed flash with higher than normal shutter speeds.

Even without those features there are still plenty of professionals that are using the X Pro 1 as their camera of choice for professional jobs that might only require rangefinder type of camera but digital not film, where they don't want to spend 4000 $5,000 on a Leica digital. The X Pro Series fits that bill very nicely at a large discount financially

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[jsrockit]

I would imagine Pros all have differing needs and some can get away with a lot less than others. All Fuji needs to keep doing is making alternative cameras for those that want old school dials / rings and a lower price point than Leica... for those who don't want to use a DSLR. Not every Pro is shooting a billion frames per second in a downpour while using a flash at high shutter speeds. Why are we so concerned with Pros anyway?

 

[GaryLH]

the older my knees and back get the more i'm interested in an articulated screen...

Yep..same here. Xpro2 and xe3 w/ articulated LCD screen..

Gary