A7r with RF glass

this is an strange thing to say but A7R images look too clean and too detailed. almost like a photoshop retouched glamor magazine photo. skin tones look plasticy, the fine detail makes all textures look flat. its as if the firmware in A7r is programmed to make photos look like retouched images popular in magazines, clearly targeting fashion photographers, food photographers, wedding photographers. i'm not saying those images are bad, those are great images but the way they look seems anemic and unreal.
 
Margu said:
this is an strange thing to say but A7R images look too clean and too detailed. almost like a photoshop retouched glamor magazine photo. skin tones look plasticy, the fine detail makes all textures look flat. its as if the firmware in A7r is programmed to make photos look like retouched images popular in magazines, clearly targeting fashion photographers, food photographers, wedding photographers. i'm not saying those images are bad, those are great images but the way they look seems anemic and unreal.
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I can say this about most Digital camera images, but I always believe it's user interpretation of the file (post process).
 
Margu said:
this is an strange thing to say but A7R images look too clean and too detailed. almost like a photoshop retouched glamor magazine photo. skin tones look plasticy, the fine detail makes all textures look flat. its as if the firmware in A7r is programmed to make photos look like retouched images popular in magazines, clearly targeting fashion photographers, food photographers, wedding photographers. i'm not saying those images are bad, those are great images but the way they look seems anemic and unreal.
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I don't think you are too far off the mark, though that could be said about most digital cameras today. Some beautiful images, but so many come across as "plastic." Besides the full frame buzz being generated, the Sigmas have achieved a near equal sharpness while retaining a much better rendering -and across the whole frame as well w/o a full frame sensor. The Fujis may not display as sharp, but are so much more pleasing. At the other end of the spectrum, I still like the imagery from my pokey little GRDIII. I canceled my pre-order until the camera and some natives calm things down. Talk to me next summer.
 
Margu said:
this is an strange thing to say but A7R images look too clean and too detailed. almost like a photoshop retouched glamor magazine photo. skin tones look plasticy, the fine detail makes all textures look flat. its as if the firmware in A7r is programmed to make photos look like retouched images popular in magazines, clearly targeting fashion photographers, food photographers, wedding photographers. i'm not saying those images are bad, those are great images but the way they look seems anemic and unreal.
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yeah, flat and uninspiring, thats how i so far see a7r images. comparatively, the a7 images literally jump off the screen. what a surprising result, as given the specs, i had totally discounted the 7. interestingly to me is i also find the 7 images more detailed, on a non pixel peeping basis. maybe its micro contrast vs resolution, but i find the 7 yielding much more framewide clarity. thats why they play the game on the field and not on paper!
 
the images i have taken so far look really pleasant. better than anything i have shot on so far. to extent where i am not sure wether to keep my m9 or not.
 
rbelyell said:
yeah, flat and uninspiring, thats how i so far see a7r images. comparatively, the a7 images literally jump off the screen.
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I will have to spend some more time going back through this thread and pay attention to the camera used. This is really interesting.
 
these images are in-camera jpgs so one can excuse them to a certain extent for being too clean.

but if one has to unsharpen the A7r raw files and add grain and so on, then whats the point of so many pixels?

in the end of the day the better camera is the one that satisfy its owners, not the latest and the greatest.
 
I think either camera is fine.

A7 may require less PP- especially to correct colorshift in wides, however detail captured by A7r is simply unmatched today in the centers with any lens.

Having seen a few thousand shots, I can confirm what Dave is saying. PP is huge, both in the camera and out.

Your flexiblity on the "look" is going to be greater on the A7r, but you will have to deal with huge files and pay more money, LOL
 
Here are some images shot with the Canon LTM 50/1.5 (should be a Sonnar clone) on a A7 (Novoflex adapter)

At 1.5 it's impossible to get anything sharp which isn't in the center of the image. It's much better at 2.8. You can see this in the first image. I tried to get the bulb as sharp as possible and this was the best I could get. Apart from that: I think the image has a nice look.

All images are imported into LR 5.3RC, did some color/tone/exposure corrections but left the sharpness settings untouched (so default sharpening of LR applied)


Canon LTM 50 f/1.5 @ 1.5 by stefanhaubold, on Flickr

But if you have something in the center and get the focus right, the sharpness is quite good for 1.5 (I think):


Canon LTM 50 f/1.5 @ 1.5 by stefanhaubold, on Flickr

Edge performances at 8.0 isn't great either:

Canon LTM 50 f/1.5 @ 8.0 by stefanhaubold, on Flickr


Canon LTM 50 f/1.5 @ 8.0 by stefanhaubold, on Flickr


Canon LTM 50 f/1.5 @ 2.8 by stefanhaubold, on Flickr
 
OOC JPG with Nocti :)

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