veraikon
xpanner
Before you stumble about the funny word "Abkündigung" . It is originally an expression in the language of the german protestant church. "Abkündigung" means the notices the pastor calls from the chancel after the sermon (most notices of death). Profane it also means when a producer/dealer calls the non availabitiy of an item. I don´t know any ambivalent expression in english.
DeeCee3
Established
For those of us not conversant in German, a translation would be helpful.
dc3
dc3
GMcD
Established
To our business partners in the photo trade Leica R-system Information 7/2009 Solms, in March 2009 Ladies and Gentlemen, we would like to thank you you very cordially for the successful sale of the Leica of R-system in the last years. Many photographers world-wide use today this system with joy and large success. For this thank you. Today we would like to inform you about the fact that immediately no LEICA R9 and no more R-objectives is available. A renewed production does not take place. Accessories for the Leica R-system, which are published in the price list, can refer you naturally so long available over the Customer service. We work at present intensively on it, also by the attained realizations from the development of the LEICA S2, which we will bring in the late summer to 2009 on the market, a change of generations to make possible in the past R-system. Concerning this we become you as soon as possible on that Current ones hold. We wish you in the common interest further a very successful co-operation. Yours sincerely from Solms Leica Camera AG Germany drove out i.V. Tim Pullmann on behalf Marc Schermuly
GMcD
Established
Only a google translation, I am afraid, but it seem s the R9 and lenses are no longer in production.
Graham
Graham
ewoq
Member
short:
- leica r9 and r lenses are no longer available
- there won`t be any production in future
- spare parts and accessories are still available
- further information about a new r-system later
- leica r9 and r lenses are no longer available
- there won`t be any production in future
- spare parts and accessories are still available
- further information about a new r-system later
Olsen
Well-known
Simply: There will be no R9 and no more R-lenses produced. The R-system is, in reality, discontinued. Sad. Optically, it was the best SLR system around. Quite a few here are daydreaming about, say, Nikon making a full frame M-camera. It would be far easier for Nikon to make a full frame 'Nikon R9'. That would be quite a camera system, actually.
jarski
Veteran
sounds worrying, but better wait till real confirmation.
thinking about Leica supporting three different camera systems, especially these days, it must be very expensive (and "normal" DSLR market being more crowded than ever of big players like Sony, Canon and Nikon etc).
wonder what would happen to used R-lens prices in longer term, when this system have disappeared from markets. decline or hike ?
thinking about Leica supporting three different camera systems, especially these days, it must be very expensive (and "normal" DSLR market being more crowded than ever of big players like Sony, Canon and Nikon etc).
wonder what would happen to used R-lens prices in longer term, when this system have disappeared from markets. decline or hike ?
BillBingham2
Registered User
Should have done that several years back. I was underwhelmed with the stuff after the SL2, but that's me.
B2 (;->
B2 (;->
Ronald_H
Don't call me Ron
There is some ambivalence here (I speak German).
They indeed say no more R9 and lenses, BUT they are talking about a generation change, related to the S2. But how? Do they want to have R users upgrade to the S2 system? Unlikely IMHO.
Or do they mean an R type camera based on the S2 will become available? Maybe with backwards compatibility related to the existing R system? Maybe AF film or even a dSLR?
We live in interesting times.
They indeed say no more R9 and lenses, BUT they are talking about a generation change, related to the S2. But how? Do they want to have R users upgrade to the S2 system? Unlikely IMHO.
Or do they mean an R type camera based on the S2 will become available? Maybe with backwards compatibility related to the existing R system? Maybe AF film or even a dSLR?
We live in interesting times.
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DeeCee3
Established
"...the S2 which we will bring to market..."
"...the S2 which we will bring to market..."
Hmmm. The Leica S2, you don't suppose, would be a dSLR? I'm not in the habit of keeping up with the latest gossip from Solms but could it be? Nobody ever expected an M8, now did they?
dc3
"...the S2 which we will bring to market..."
Hmmm. The Leica S2, you don't suppose, would be a dSLR? I'm not in the habit of keeping up with the latest gossip from Solms but could it be? Nobody ever expected an M8, now did they?
dc3
joachim
Convicted Ektachome user
Hi,
I am a native German. The sentence "Wir arbeiten derzeit intensiv daran, auch durch die erlangten Erkenntnisse aus der Entwicklung der LEICA S2, die wir im Spätsommer 2009 auf den Markt bringen werden, einen Generationswechsel
im bisherigen R-System zu ermöglichen." is just sick- sorry I can't translate that.
Makes you wonder whether the entire thing is a hoax. If not, I could imagine an adapter to fit S2 lenses to R-bodies.
martin s
Well-known
Agreed, this sentence doesn't make too much sense.
"Wir arbeiten derzeit intensiv daran, auch durch die erlangten Erkenntnisse aus der Entwicklung der LEICA S2, die wir im Spätsommer 2009 auf den Markt bringen werden, einen Generationswechsel
im bisherigen R-System zu ermöglichen."
We're currently working hard on making a new generation within the present R System possible (also by using the knowledge from the Leica S2 development, which we're going to release late summer '09)
"Wir arbeiten derzeit intensiv daran, auch durch die erlangten Erkenntnisse aus der Entwicklung der LEICA S2, die wir im Spätsommer 2009 auf den Markt bringen werden, einen Generationswechsel
im bisherigen R-System zu ermöglichen."
We're currently working hard on making a new generation within the present R System possible (also by using the knowledge from the Leica S2 development, which we're going to release late summer '09)
historicist
Well-known
Strange, as a (admittedly not very good) non-native German speaker that sentence is quite clear to me, though it doesn't translate elegantly into English. Though sometimes things are easier when you are a non-native speaker and don't notice the elegance or otherwise of the phrasing 
My attempt:
At the moment we are working intensively to make a new generation of the R-System possible, using the insights gained through the development of the Leica S2.
edit: we'll, obviously it's harder than I thought, my first attempt was completey wrong.
My attempt:
At the moment we are working intensively to make a new generation of the R-System possible, using the insights gained through the development of the Leica S2.
edit: we'll, obviously it's harder than I thought, my first attempt was completey wrong.
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cfritze
Established
Some good translators here on the forum, and of course native german speakers. I think the gist of the message has been successfully decoded. I had to grin at joachim's comment - no question that sentence is sick. It's a german language version of the worst excesses in PR-/business-/obfuscation-speak. And the german language really lends itself to this sort of encapsulation within an encapsulation structure. Anyone ever read Mark Twain's "The Awful German Language"?
(I've got a good user condition but presently unusued Leica R summicron 50mm, anyone need?)
(I've got a good user condition but presently unusued Leica R summicron 50mm, anyone need?)
joachim
Convicted Ektachome user
Strange, as a (admittedly not very good) non-native German speaker that sentence is quite clear to me, though it doesn't translate elegantly into English. Though sometimes things are easier when you are a non-native speaker and don't notice the elegance or otherwise of the phrasing
My attempt:
At the moment we are working intensively to make a new generation of the R-System possible, using the insights gained through the development of the Leica S2.
edit: we'll, obviously it's harder than I thought, my first attempt was completey wrong.
Nops - you missed the "im bisherigen", which implies that it is not a new R-system but stays within what is the just discontinued one. As I wrote the sentence is sick
joachim
Convicted Ektachome user
There is a reason why Leicas and Rolleis got invented in Germany. The English language just misses these important features, which are important to train the brains of the young Germans
Concerning Mark Twain, it is http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/jod/texts/twain.german.html
historicist
Well-known
you it should have been:
... to make a new generation of the current R-system possible, using ...
?
If so I just left it out because I thought it was redundant, since to say 'a new generation of the R-system' implies that it will still be the same R system, in the same way that a 'new generation of Nikon F' would mean a F2, F3 or F4 etc., not some crazy new camera.
Though one of the disadvantages of being a native speaker of English is that because things are always so obvious often I make mistakes without noticing, so someone else might read the sentence differently.
As for how well Leica can write in German, or the relative merits of German over English .... :angel:
... to make a new generation of the current R-system possible, using ...
?
If so I just left it out because I thought it was redundant, since to say 'a new generation of the R-system' implies that it will still be the same R system, in the same way that a 'new generation of Nikon F' would mean a F2, F3 or F4 etc., not some crazy new camera.
Though one of the disadvantages of being a native speaker of English is that because things are always so obvious often I make mistakes without noticing
, so someone else might read the sentence differently.As for how well Leica can write in German, or the relative merits of German over English .... :angel:
navilluspm
Well-known
If you are giving it away, I'll take it and pay shipping. I would have to buy an adapter for my Rebel XTI, but why not?
bidnez
Established
That´s cute! I got my first R camera in the mail today; an R3 with Summicron in very fine shape. Well; it´s just as good looking now as it was before I read this.
veraikon
xpanner
Sorry but it is no hoax ! It is the Leica dealer information 7/2009 published in March 2009. This dealer information is a "normal newsletter" The letter was published in LuF. The LuF member is trustworth.
Source:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica...analogen-r-linie-leica-information-7_2009.pdf
(you must be registered to download the pdf)
Indeed the sentence :
"Wir arbeiten derzeit intensiv daran, auch durch die erlangten Erkenntnisse aus der Entwicklung der LEICA S2, die wir im Spätsommer 2009 auf den Markt bringen werden, einen Generationswechsel
im bisherigen R-System zu ermöglichen."
is difficult to translate . In my eyes it is a typical germanism contracting two sentences.
Main sentence is:
"Wir arbeiten derzeit intensiv daran einen Generationswechsel
im bisherigen R-System zu ermöglichen.
=> "We are currently working hard to make change a of generation
in the current R-system possible".
Second sentence is
"Der Generationswechsel wird durch die erlangten Erkenntnisse aus der Entwicklung der LEICA S2, die wir im Spätsommer 2009 auf den Markt bringen werden ermöglicht"
"The generational change is enabled by the know how gained from the development of the LEICA S2, which we will bring on market in the late summer of 2009."
" Hierüber werden wir Sie sobald wie möglich auf dem Laufenden halten."
We will inform you as soon as possible
Short version of the letter:
There will be a R-System (compatible with the current) on base of the new S2. We cannot tell you any date.
We clear our warehouses for the new stock. Dealer do as we do...
In my opinion this info-letter is a very bad example for communication.