Adobe Caves In

ChipMcD said:
When I just checked, the price seemed to be $19.99 per month, if you sign up for a year. Is there a secret password or something?
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The new price goes into effect on September 17, when a new version of Lightroom is being released.

This offer is available to customers who own a previous version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later (CS3.x, CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Requires an annual commitment with monthly billing. Valid from September 17, 2013, through December 31, 2013, in countries where Creative Cloud is purchased directly from Adobe.com.
 
I'm on CS6 and LR 4, and will stay there for as long as I can. Lightroom is my go-to processing program, and I only use PS maybe once a year. Premiere Pro and After Effects will handle footage from just about every current mid to higher end video camera like the Canon C300 and Red Epic, so if I upgrade video gear, I can quite safely buy secondhand gear. With any luck!
 
... it's a matter of the principal, they have not altered the principal just reduced the price.

I will not rent software ... it changes it from capital-expendature to a fixed-cost, and if Adobe get away with this cash grab everyone else will follow them.
 
ChipMcD said:
When I just checked, the price seemed to be $19.99 per month, if you sign up for a year. Is there a secret password or something?
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That may not be for everybody or everywhere - here in Germany, their only current deal seems to be a "60% discount offer" of 24.99€ (around $33) a month...
 
I simply do not trust loading and storing my images elsewhere..so easy to bring in a cost factor.I use simple photoshops.i work with JPEG.Picassa is fine.
I have noticed the more "professional cameras"
require rather than need.
This is ridiculous.I tried a few, one light balancing for daylight was so blue, another had weird magenta blacks. My cheap Canon Point and Shoot has really good color.
An outside drive went turtle last week.Never dropped or banged. Sits on desk. There will be a change in my shooting.I will focus more on using film.
 
I'm an amateur photographer and, although I have a Nikon D800, I still shot more 35mm and MF film than digital.. For my purposes, Photosop Elements 11 and Nikon Capture NX2. I have Lightroom 4 but that is being used less and less, these days.

I like to "own" my software and have it on my iMac. Why? Firstly, subscription services have a tendency to escalate price over time and the vendor is mostly in control - ie.. they decide when the next upgrade is imposed upon their customers and charge accordingly. Secondly, my broadband speed can be "variable" to say the least. There are times my BT "Infiniti" drops out altogether and having the software on my machine means I don't have to rely on a variable / unreliable / inconsistent resource.

The probability is that most IT software companies will go down the same route and withdraw "physical" products and force us down the same "cloud-based" lines. Until then, I'm happy with the "old" ways....
 
People are aware that the software is client side right? That you're not actually streaming it from Adobe's servers and you only need to be online once every three months?
 
lcpr said:
People are aware that the software is client side right? That you're not actually streaming it from Adobe's servers and you only need to be online once every three months?
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... yes, we realise it isn't really a cloud service, just a marketing excuse to police their cash-cow's income stream
 
Currently investigating how I can make Darktable do the stuff I use LR3.4 for.

My LR3.4 is fine for scanned and Ricoh GXR-M files, I only need something newer for the D600 files and if I can get Darktable do it, I'm not buying Adobe anymore.

Currently it seems that the edit on a single image can be stored as a 'style' in Darktable and subsequently applied to other images. That is the one (important!) LR thing I was missing in DT...:rolleyes:
 
I think PS is the finest photo processing program available anywhere. I am flirting with LR as it is out of CC at least for now. The reason being I will not pay double and rent rather than buy.

$10 monthly is no more than the upgrade price was so I will consider it.

We will have to do something as CS6 will not support new camera raws at some point and you know you will buy a new camera sometime. I have not warmed to LR yet. I really dislike the library concept, imports and exports. PITA.

All that and I will eventually buy a new computer and CS6 will not be available for download. Although I did save a rough or unopened download file on a spare drive on the Mac Pro. No telling how that will work out though in 5 years.
 
Use of the continuously updated Photoshop and Lightroom for $9.95/mo forever seems fair to me. The products are tremendously valuable to me (avid amateur photographer). I have been upgrading as new versions come out and it seems like I'm paying $100 for each product every year or so. I'll take this special Adobe deal.
 
Folks...
Please note that no where on that Adobe "special deal" does it state that the $10 per month is ad-infinitum. Adobe can (and likely will) jack that price back up to where they want it once they get enough people on the service.

You know.. similarly to how drug dealers normally "give some away" to get the addict hooked...

Cheers,
Dave
 
I recently changed to Apple and was left in a limbo for a few days (in the end I ended up with a free CS6 license so will stay with Adobe for the time being) and looked into Capture One 7 Pro. It seems a very worthy alternative if one gets tired of Adobe. Good tutorials and an interface that is not too daunting. And great output too. At the new price I would probably go with Adobe if I had too, but would much prefer buying.

Xpanded
 
I'm looking into this as well and found from the program FAQ page the following....

"Will the cost of my Photoshop Photography Program membership increase?
Customers who sign up by December 31, 2013 will be able to continue their membership. This price is not a special introductory price for your first year only; it is the standard price for this level of membership. But if you cancel your membership in the future, you will not be able to re-join at this special price."

Link to FAQ page http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#pslr-bundle

I agree with Col. Sebastian that this is a fair price point. It'll cost me hundreds to upgrade to CS6 and Lightroom 5, which will take over two years to break even. I also value the benefits of the continuously updated SW and fixes, the expansion of device usage if i decide to use the cloud (i have the choice and can store locally if I want).
 
When I read that, I DO NOT read them saying that the price will stay the same for ever, for X number of years, etc. It is 'the standard price' but no time frame is given. What special legal language am I missing that says that $9.95 will be my price forever, for ten years, or for any specific period of time?



Sunti said:
I'm looking into this as well and found from the program FAQ page the following....

"Will the cost of my Photoshop Photography Program membership increase?
Customers who sign up by December 31, 2013 will be able to continue their membership. This price is not a special introductory price for your first year only; it is the standard price for this level of membership. But if you cancel your membership in the future, you will not be able to re-join at this special price."

Link to FAQ page http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html#pslr-bundle

I agree with Col. Sebastian that this is a fair price point. It'll cost me hundreds to upgrade to CS6 and Lightroom 5, which will take over two years to break even. I also value the benefits of the continuously updated SW and fixes, the expansion of device usage if i decide to use the cloud (i have the choice and can store locally if I want).
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bwcolor said:
What is the product upgrade cycle time for PS and LR?
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Adobe likes to do their upgrade cycle annually (if memory serves correctly) - the question to the end user is, how often do YOU "need" these upgrades?

How old (or new) is your current digital equipment? Often new cameras will have new RAW files which will not be supported by older versions of the software

How much do you need the new functionality that, perhaps, Photoshop or Lightroom will offer? Do you need to have that new "brush" for example? Or does the current software do the job?

Specifically for those last set of questions; if you sign up with the CC service then regardless if you want/need those items, you're getting them.

For example - myself, I currently don't need anything further than what I currently have (CS 3 and LR 4.x) but if I sign up for CC... I'm getting a bunch of stuff I either don't need or don't want currently. So, for me currently, signing up for CC would be a waste of money.

Cheers,
Dave
 
dcsang said:
Folks...
Please note that no where on that Adobe "special deal" does it state that the $10 per month is ad-infinitum. Adobe can (and likely will) jack that price back up to where they want it once they get enough people on the service.

You know.. similarly to how drug dealers normally "give some away" to get the addict hooked...

Cheers,
Dave
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The $10/month rate is advertised as the regular rate for those subscribing before the deadline. This rate may go up with time but it is distinguished from a special rate for just the first year, as is the case with academic subscriptions for CC. The special rate for students and educators is for the first year only.

Tom
 
tjh said:
The $10/month rate is advertised as the regular rate for those subscribing before the deadline. This rate may go up with time but it is distinguished from a special rate for just the first year, as is the case with academic subscriptions for CC. The special rate for students and educators is for the first year only.

Tom
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True enough Tom!

I guess my point was that this price means, really, nothing. Those folks signing up before the deadline could, in fact, face a price increase directly after the deadline; unlikely though that may be there's no stipulation stating that it won't actually go up directly after the deadline either. Of course doing such a thing would be completely underhanded and nasty but my point is, why should anyone really "trust" Adobe to do anything that would be "good" for a customer - after all, they are in the business of making money just like any business and after seeing this cloud fiasco and the resulting brouhaha I would exercise a very measured amount of caution before signing up. Caveat Emptor and all that..

Cheers,
Dave
 
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