shadowfox
Darkroom printing lives
Between gimp and darktable (both cost me nothing including perpetual updates that comes with the excellent Ubuntu OS), I have all of my digital post-processing needs fulfilled.
That's both business and personal needs, by the way.
That's both business and personal needs, by the way.
Spanik
Well-known
I don't get it: "Adobe caves in"... to what? IIRC the question was an installable version, no cloud version. So lowering the CC price is not exactly "caving in".
alienmeatsack
Well-known
I had a chat with an Adobe rep earlier today about this new deal and who/what it applies to to clarify some things. I thought I'd pass them along if any of them have not yet been discussed here.
The deal $9.99 USD is good until Dec 31st at which point in time it will most likely increase to $14.99-19.99 (he wasn't sure) for NEW subscribers. Existing subscribers price will be the same low $9.99 (or whatever it is for your country) for as long as they keep up their word.
This deal is supposed to -only- apply to those who own Photoshop CS3 or newer, this is not supposed to include any of the Creative Suites that include Photoshop. However, I was told that in about a month, Adobe will email and send cards out to everyone who has any CS3 or newer software regardless of whether its a suite or not offering them the $9.99 Photography CC deal.
Anyone who has or gets the Single App CC subscription for Photoshop (none of the other apps in the CC apply to this) which is currently $19.99 will be eligible to convert their Photoshop CC single app subscription to the Photography bundle for the lower price and get LightRoom as part of that. This conversion is a "courtesy" and will only be done via phone calls to support and the CS rep told me that if enough people do it they may either stop converting them completely or make the PS CC sub automatically become the Photography CC sub at the lower price.
None of this is going to happen for about a month, according to him. At which point the offer should appear on the website if you have -any- eligible software under that CC or Adobe ID login and are logged in.
They have no plans on making LR available as it's own single app CC subscription according to him either. But I got the impression that they are still figuring out what people want so that could change.
Anyway, that is what I was told on the phone this morning by a CS rep. Take it with a grain of salt.
Since I do not own PS CS3+ but instead own quite a few Suites and have a ton of their software in my Adobe ID, I am pretty sure I will be offered the deal regardless. If not, I will buy the Single App Photoshop CC deal and then convert it so I can have it and LR 5.
The deal $9.99 USD is good until Dec 31st at which point in time it will most likely increase to $14.99-19.99 (he wasn't sure) for NEW subscribers. Existing subscribers price will be the same low $9.99 (or whatever it is for your country) for as long as they keep up their word.
This deal is supposed to -only- apply to those who own Photoshop CS3 or newer, this is not supposed to include any of the Creative Suites that include Photoshop. However, I was told that in about a month, Adobe will email and send cards out to everyone who has any CS3 or newer software regardless of whether its a suite or not offering them the $9.99 Photography CC deal.
Anyone who has or gets the Single App CC subscription for Photoshop (none of the other apps in the CC apply to this) which is currently $19.99 will be eligible to convert their Photoshop CC single app subscription to the Photography bundle for the lower price and get LightRoom as part of that. This conversion is a "courtesy" and will only be done via phone calls to support and the CS rep told me that if enough people do it they may either stop converting them completely or make the PS CC sub automatically become the Photography CC sub at the lower price.
None of this is going to happen for about a month, according to him. At which point the offer should appear on the website if you have -any- eligible software under that CC or Adobe ID login and are logged in.
They have no plans on making LR available as it's own single app CC subscription according to him either. But I got the impression that they are still figuring out what people want so that could change.
Anyway, that is what I was told on the phone this morning by a CS rep. Take it with a grain of salt.
Since I do not own PS CS3+ but instead own quite a few Suites and have a ton of their software in my Adobe ID, I am pretty sure I will be offered the deal regardless. If not, I will buy the Single App Photoshop CC deal and then convert it so I can have it and LR 5.
3rdtrick
Well-known
It came with a scanner that I had bought and I had to run it on my PC at work because I only had a Commodore 64 at home. I upgraded it to version 3.05 when I got my own Windows 95 computer.
As for now, I am mostly using Lightroom for most everything but there are a few things I still like to do in Photoshop. When Adobe made their announcement, I tried the alternatives and I like Lightroom the best. Capture One was quite good but you also need to get Media Pro to manage your libraries. If I was a professional photographer, I probably would be making the switch to Capture One and Media Pro but as an non-rofessional, I am sticking with Lightroom until Adobe takes that away. Funny, I was excited to move up to LR-5 and even downloaded the beta but the spark is gone and I am still using LR-4.
Jim-st
Well-known
Haven't watched it yet, but LuLa has just posted a 47 minute long streaming video interview with Thomas Knoll in which "Thomas talks about the origins of Photoshop, the concerns that people have had with moving to "the cloud", and the new solution for photographers which Adobe has just announced"
Just fyi...
Just fyi...
3rdtrick
Well-known
Jim,
Thank you for posting this but I apologize that I do not have 47 minutes to give Adobe.
$10 a month for life is exactly what it says, $10 a month for the rest of your life.
Pete
Thank you for posting this but I apologize that I do not have 47 minutes to give Adobe.
$10 a month for life is exactly what it says, $10 a month for the rest of your life.
Pete
zauhar
Veteran
My kid just started film school, and immediately needs photoshop, probably illustrator and other tools in the future. Rather than have her pirate my academic copy of CS 6, I subscribed to creative cloud, buoyed by the idea that I can use it on two computers, and we can share. This was reinforced by the helpful "Stephen" at adobe, who said this via online chat:
you: Hi, before I sign up for CC - can I use on more than one computer?
Stephen: With Creative Cloud Membership, you can install the application on 2 systems. Either both Mac’s or Windows or 1 on Mac and the other one on Windows. So to say it can be installed on both operating systems and you will be able to run both the systems at the same time.
I didn't really believe this was true, that would effectively be a two-seat license. After subscribing I see this (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4584102) :
"A note: you cannot have the same applications running on both computers at the same time. For example, you can't have Flash running on both of your computers simultaneously. You may run into trouble if this happens frequently, as it is a violation of Adobe's liscence agreement." (this is from Kendall Plant at Adobe)
Seems ambiguous (maybe on purpose?)
Randy
you: Hi, before I sign up for CC - can I use on more than one computer?
Stephen: With Creative Cloud Membership, you can install the application on 2 systems. Either both Mac’s or Windows or 1 on Mac and the other one on Windows. So to say it can be installed on both operating systems and you will be able to run both the systems at the same time.
I didn't really believe this was true, that would effectively be a two-seat license. After subscribing I see this (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4584102) :
"A note: you cannot have the same applications running on both computers at the same time. For example, you can't have Flash running on both of your computers simultaneously. You may run into trouble if this happens frequently, as it is a violation of Adobe's liscence agreement." (this is from Kendall Plant at Adobe)
Seems ambiguous (maybe on purpose?)
Randy
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Yeah, some people around here seem to think programmers should work for free. I'm more likely to get Elements again, but $10 a month? In my younger days I spent more than that every Friday at Happy Hour...
And my wine with dinner last night could have purchased 1.5 months of the software rental discussed here.
3rdtrick
Well-known
Randy, the 'Cloud' can be a bargain for some people and you seem to be getting the deal. My sister is in school and also has the 'Cloud'. She expects that her employer will provide the software when she graduates. The two computer thing is a real concern, if I fail to close out Photoshop on my home computer, and open it on my laptop, I will be in trouble?
zauhar
Veteran
When the Adobe guy says you "could" be in trouble, that is a sign to me that they want you to police yourself, they are probably not monitoring this closely. Since you can disconnect from the internet for 30 days and run the software, there probably isn't a rigorous mechanism for tracking the licenses.
I would not worry until caught with my hand in the cookie jar. ;-)
Randy
lewis44
Well-known
The deal is now on Adobe's site if you are interested. I just signed up and I am up and running.
alienmeatsack
Well-known
Just snagged it as well.
I am curious if they will be indeed offering call in customers the upgrade to the new pricing if they are existing or new Photoshop CS customers for the new Photographer bundle CS.
I am curious if they will be indeed offering call in customers the upgrade to the new pricing if they are existing or new Photoshop CS customers for the new Photographer bundle CS.
alienmeatsack
Well-known
For those who wonder, here is what one has access to if you are part of the Photography CC plan for $9.99 USD:
tstermitz
Well-known
As a photographer, I find Lightroom extremely useful and competent, and I like the way it integrates so nicely with Photoshop. That's beneficial because Photoshop is still essential for a few tasks, e.g. LR doesn't have anything like content aware fill and layer masking. For me $10/month is quite reasonable for those two products. Cheaper than my camera depreciation!
As a professional web developer, I use Photoshop daily for slicing web designs, so for me it would still be well worth $20/month. I don't use any other Adobe Suite items (especially not Flash!), so I get off pretty cheaply compared with my graphic designer friends who need illustrator and/or InDesign.
Many of the other tools in that long list are not much more than plugins that might be useful for specific web-design tasks.
Lightroom used to be a lot more expensive, so it is really nice that we have the Aperture-Lightroom, Capture One competition. Before I sprang for LR, I got by pretty well using Bridge to tag and develop my RAW files for feeding into Photoshop. LR is such a step above that workflow I wouldn't go back, today.
As a professional web developer, I use Photoshop daily for slicing web designs, so for me it would still be well worth $20/month. I don't use any other Adobe Suite items (especially not Flash!), so I get off pretty cheaply compared with my graphic designer friends who need illustrator and/or InDesign.
Many of the other tools in that long list are not much more than plugins that might be useful for specific web-design tasks.
Lightroom used to be a lot more expensive, so it is really nice that we have the Aperture-Lightroom, Capture One competition. Before I sprang for LR, I got by pretty well using Bridge to tag and develop my RAW files for feeding into Photoshop. LR is such a step above that workflow I wouldn't go back, today.