Adobe taking the p**s

[Keith]

Agreed, and it is probably in even more of a stranglehold on the market, since all of Macromedia was acquired by Adobe.

Adobe is certainly ruling out anyone who is not on broadband, as are Android and iOS tablets, and phones, not to mention Netflix, iTunes, and everything else many of us take for granted.

That's a good point and up until a few weeks ago I had a satelite connection which was absolute rubbish due to the fact that DSL was unavailable in my area ... twenty five minutes from the centre of Brisbane! The provider (telstra) had no intention of upgrading our area due to the lack of potential customers and the only reason they did was due to cyclone damage we incurred recently otherwise we would have been sh!t out of luck and were told so after numerous applications for hard wired broadband.

In short I don't have a problem with Adobe wanting to go this way as their preference but they should still offer the software as a free standing product for cases/areas where communication services are less than stellar ... and there are still plenty of those!

 

[sepiareverb]

Funny how people react on the word cloud. I got my first mail account in 1995 at AOL. Hosted mail accounts, ftp-servers for file upload, photo hosting sites. All cloud services long before someone called them this way.

I use the cloud fine. Prefer it for email across the four computers I use, and my sites are hosted "up there". I dislike having to be sure of a connection to use software which has no real need to be connected other than eliminating piracy. I've got paid copies of CS4, 5 & 6 and will end up having to use CC (I teach, and knowing the latest software is a must like it or not). This means that when I travel I need to be sure and have my computer check in on certain days or risk being stuck. A new little PITA progress brings me. Like having cameras that need batteries isn't enough 😉

 

[Ranchu]

So, how long before Adobe tries to rights grab use of anything on their cloud, like instagram, google, and Britain.

http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=5411&frcrld=1

"A major goal of U.S. multinational corporations for the TPP is to impose on more countries a set of extreme foreign investor privileges and rights and their private enforcement through the notorious “investor-state” system. This system elevates individual corporations and investors to equal standing with each TPP signatory country's government- and above all of us citizens."

 

[ReeRay]

So, how long before Adobe tries to rights grab use of anything on their cloud, like instagram, google, and Britain.

This is the element that concerns me the most. As a stock photographer I currently spend far too much time chasing image infringement and issuing take down notices and can foresee real potential here for violation of intellectual property.

 

[noisycheese]

Adobe smart ass move has lost a lot of customers,
but not me for sure. It's all a crock.
For someone who sees no future in all these companies,
what with more and more phone cameras and slates,
who needs these photo-shops?
I use Picassa. I guess one day they will charge..
i will be gone. i am sick of continued update, improvements,
that go no further for my photography.
Yes i am a member of Flat Earth Society.
I use JPEGs, will not work with Raw.

The above is why one of many reasons I never went digital. I love the simplicity of film based photography.

Here's someone else who thinks it's a crock [**salty language warning**]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU
😀

 

[Frankd]

I agree with PKR--Capture One Version 6 is a better raw converter than Adobe products and can handle most photo tasks such as color temp, rotation, curves, cropping, color manipulation, and much more. There is a learning curve but once learned it handles files faster and more efficiently. Most of the tools are better than PS. However, I also keep an old version of PS to do cloning and some other graphic functions.

 

[back alley]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU&feature=youtu.be

 

[Al Patterson]

Taking the what? Are they drinking too much? I don't get it....?

 

[Sparrow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU&feature=youtu.be

... it's probably just as well I don't know how to edit the subtitles on that particular clip

 

[jarski]

not nice to have years and years worth of raw files converted to Adobe's DNG, as now it seems I might change software at some stage... sure Lightroom follows PS after "excellent experiences and enthusiastic response from user community".

was always bit unsure of conversion, thinking who knows maybe Microsoft buys them one day... but never expected this coming.

 

[steveclem]

not nice to have years and years worth of raw files converted to Adobe's DNG, as now it seems I might change software at some stage... sure Lightroom follows PS after "excellent experiences and enthusiastic response from user community".

was always bit unsure of conversion, thinking who knows maybe Microsoft buys them one day... but never expected this coming.

If MS do buy Adobe it may fix the error that comes up on some computers preventing LR to open.

 

[Bob Michaels]

Does this thread remind anyone else of all the other "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" posts that have preceeded it over the years? Like the "Kodak is going bankrupt, no more Tri-X, photography will never be the same" one?

FWIW, Adobe has a 30 year history of successfully projecting technological change and driving market share. They sold $4.4 Billion worth of software and made over $1 Billion in profit last year. They are projecting 10% increases in revenue this year which is notable since they already have a commanding market share. While it is possible that any company can make a major bad business decision, it would be their first in the company's history.

Certainly if the world changes and a company's new offerings no longer fit a users needs they should switch to someone else. But I would suggest caution when suggesting this will be a bad move for Adobe.

 

[Keith]

Does this thread remind anyone else of all the other "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" posts that have preceeded it over the years? Like the "Kodak is going bankrupt, no more Tri-X, photography will never be the same" one?

FWIW, Adobe has a 30 year history of successfully projecting technological change and driving market share. They sold $4.4 Billion worth of software and made over $1 Billion in profit last year. They are projecting 10% increases in revenue this year which is notable since they already have a commanding market share. While it is possible that any company can make a major bad business decision, it would be their first in the company's history.

Certainly if the world changes and a company's new offerings no longer fit a users needs they should switch to someone else. But I would suggest caution when suggesting this will be a bad move for Adobe.

I get your point Bob but the noticable negative reaction to this move would be a concern to any company surely?

 

[Bob Michaels]

I get your point Bob but the noticable negative reaction to this move would be a concern to any company surely?

But the uproar is coming from a very small segment of the market. One where a number of users never paid for the software anyway.

This is nothing compared to the reaction when Microsoft announced many years ago that the next evolution of their operating system would be Windows rather than DOS based. And that seemed to work out OK.

 

[mr.yates]

But the uproar is coming from a very small segment of the market. One where a number of users never paid for the software anyway.

Not the people anybody would be listening to.

 

[sepiareverb]

Does this thread remind anyone else of all the other "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" posts that have preceeded it over the years? Like the "Kodak is going bankrupt, no more Tri-X, photography will never be the same" one?

Well that bathtub hasn't fully drained yet has it?

Not the people anybody would be listening to.

Really. Where's the thread "Lets Petition Adobe to Let Us Keep Pirating Photoshop"???

 

[jsrockit]

But the uproar is coming from a very small segment of the market. One where a number of users never paid for the software anyway.

How did you quantify this?

 

[Al Patterson]

But the uproar is coming from a very small segment of the market. One where a number of users never paid for the software anyway.

This is nothing compared to the reaction when Microsoft announced many years ago that the next evolution of their operating system would be Windows rather than DOS based. And that seemed to work out OK.

Yeah, the jury is still out on Win 8.

And Office 365 is subscription like Adobe is proposing.

I wonder about Elements though. I also wonder what percentage of the complainers are running pirated copies or discounted student copies. Either group is looking at a huge price increase.

I think I'll look at Gimp.

 

[sepiareverb]

"sepiareverb
Not the people anybody would be listening to".

Uh, thanks for putting those words in my mouth?

I agree with the sentiment, but I was quoting mr. yates.

 

[shadowfox]

Yeah, the jury is still out on Win 8.

And Office 365 is subscription like Adobe is proposing.

I wonder about Elements though. I also wonder what percentage of the complainers are running pirated copies or discounted student copies. Either group is looking at a huge price increase.

I think I'll look at Gimp.

Al, take a look at darktable also.
That's closer to Lightroom than Gimp.
Since both are free, and under your control, use both.