Adobe taking the p**s

[Ranchu]

in fact DNG is recommended by the LoC for archival use.

It says.

"LC preference None established. LC staff, however, have intermittently discussed the value of a preference for born-digital photographs in DNG form ("somewhat normalized"), as compared to camera raw files (CAM_RAW; "too raw") or uncompressed TIFF files (TIFF_UNC; "too cooked"). "

Doesn't seem like a recommendation to me. Sounds like babytalk, who pays these people?

 

[bensyverson]

It says.

"LC preference None established. LC staff, however, have intermittently discussed the value of a preference for born-digital photographs in DNG form ("somewhat normalized"), as compared to camera raw files (CAM_RAW; "too raw") or uncompressed TIFF files (TIFF_UNC; "too cooked"). "

Doesn't seem like a recommendation to me. Sounds like babytalk, who pays these people?

LoC classifies proprietary Raw files as "less desirable" than DNG... The implication being that Raw files should either be baked into TIFF or JPEG, or converted to DNG.

 

[Ranchu]

Though DNG is not on their list of 'acceptable filetypes'.

• Acceptable file formats for color or grayscale bitmapped images, grouped in order of preference.

1.
TIFF_UNC (TIFF, Uncompressed Bitmap) in any color space supported by TIFF
TIFF_UNC_EXIF (TIFF Uncompressed File with Exif metadata) for images from digital cameras
TIFF/EP (TIFF/EP, for Electronic Photography) for images from digital cameras
\JP2_J2K_C_LL (JPEG 2000 Part 1 Core Coding, Lossless Compression) in
JPX_FF (JPEG 2000 Part 2 [Extensions] jpx File Format), conforming to capabilities of a baseline JPX reader
JP2_J2K_C_LL (JPEG 2000 Part 1 Core Coding, Lossless Compression) in JP2_FF (JPEG 2000 Part 1 [Core] jp2 File Format)
TIFF/IT (TIFF/IT, for Image Technology) for prepress images
2.
JP2_J2K_C_LSY (JPEG 2000 Part 1 Core Coding, Lossy Compression) in
JPX_FF (JPEG 2000 Part 2 [Extensions] jpx File Format), conforming to capabilities of a baseline JPX reader
JP2_J2K_C_LSY (JPEG 2000 Part 1 Core Coding, Lossy Compression) in
JP2_FF (JPEG 2000 Part 1 [Core] jp2 File Format)
3.
PDF/A (PDF for Long-term Preservation)
PDF/X (PDF for Graphics Exchange)
JPEG_DCT_BL (JPEG DCT Encoding, Baseline), lossy compression in
JFIF (JFIF JPEG File Interchange Format)
4.
PNG (Portable Network Graphics Format)
5.
GIF (GIF Graphics Interchange Format, version 89a)
6.
BMP file (Microsoft Windows Bitmap Format)

 

[Bob Michaels]

Not a problem for me as I own CS5. Your concern may be hypothetical. I am curious, what version of Photoshop do you own?

Unless your current copy is this CC sh!t, if you edit and save any of them with that, you have to pay Adobe to use your own file from then on forever. It's just blood sucking rent seeking, Bob.

 

[Ranchu]

Not a problem for me as I own CS5. Your concern may be hypothetical. I am curious, what version of Photoshop do you own?

I knew you'd eventually get around to that, Bob. I resent your insinuation, but not much, and it's plain it's all you've got. I am speaking of the hypothetical person who has signed on to Adobe's scam, as I said.

 

[jarski]

DNG is far from open and common format like JPEG. e.g. Corel's AfterShot Pro wont support converted DNG's (but will in-camera written DNG's). some discussion about issues can be read from here. with this Adobe-tax coming, will probably convert my files to TIFF at some stage, if there's no other solution at that time. open raw format or reliable application support by some less greedy company.

 

[amateriat]

I think we may be overemphasizing our importance to Adobe. We are a very small part of their Photoshop user base. Companies pay attention to sales dollars, not internet chatter. Adobe is projecting an overall sales increase of 10% and their track record forecasting sales is excellent.

Here's the thing a few of us might be missing: Adobe doesn't have to worry about having a huge chunk of its user base up and revolt against this change: what they do have to worry about (and has occurred in its past) is falling short of its projected sales figures. All it takes to cheese off investors these days is missing the mark by two to three percentage points - never mind that it still constitutes a net gain in Adobe's case. I think Adobe's chances of screwing up with their current business trajectory are anything but remote, and the marketplace is rife with big-time decisions gone badly awry (you'd think Microsoft would've learned their lesson with Vista before unleashing Windows 8, but there you are, and they're but one of several recent examples). You can bet the gang at Quark are watching, arms crossed and smirking ever-so-slightly. (Not that I have any big love for that outfit.) Quark wasn't "too big to fail", and neither is Adobe.

As for what this means for me: absolutely nothing. I've been working quite happily with a (legit) copy of CS2. I've used versions up to CS5 and frankly, haven't found much that was compelling in terms of how I work with images (mostly film, plus a little action from my Nikon P6000, whose RAW files get handled with NX2). That's the other thing to remember: if the stuff you have is doing the job for you, there isn't much reason to break out in hives.

(And, one more thing about updates: I can't speak for anything beyond CS2/3, but I've noticed that, at least for PS, there have been very few significant updates from Adobe. CS2 has been super-solid from the get-go, and Adobe appears to have gotten most things right the first time out. A far cry from the days of PS7 with its gaggle of often-necessary bug fixes. Maybe that's going to slip a bit with the CC model?)


- Barrett

 

[bensyverson]

DNG is an openly documented format (PDF link)... That's the whole idea behind it. It is no more open or less open than TIFF. Both were created by Adobe.

 

[Bob Michaels]

I knew you'd eventually get around to that, Bob. I resent your insinuation, but not much, and it's plain it's all you've got. I am speaking of the hypothetical person who has signed on to Adobe's scam, as I said.

No insinuation implied or intended. But those who have not bought Photoshop just ain't go no dog in this fight.

I am not a hypothetical person as I have paid for full retail copies of Photoshop since V.5.5 and about 5 or 6 upgrades since, Elements years ago, Lightroom including 2 or 3 upgrades, and Acrobat (not the free reader but the one that generates the files) I don't feel that I have signed onto any Adobe scam. But having been in the software business, I know what it costs to create, market, and support software products.

Adobe products are not for everybody. Don't buy them if they do not deliver value for you. Shoot, don't buy them if you just don't like the company. But if you don't buy the products ........................

 

[Al Patterson]

I knew you'd eventually get around to that, Bob. I resent your insinuation, but not much, and it's plain it's all you've got. I am speaking of the hypothetical person who has signed on to Adobe's scam, as I said.

Microsoft is moving that way as well. Heard of Office 365?

Gotta love the whining around here. I am beginning to think everyone on this thread who is complaining are using pirated copies and is whining that their free ride is up....

I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[3rdtrick]

I think I have you all beat... I have been using Photoshop since PS1 on 3.5" disks. Now I see what that gets me from Adobe. I am currently using CS4 and LR4. Just last week I tried the LR5 beta and was looking forward to upgrading and moving to CS6 at the same time. Now I am wondering if that money would be better spent with another company that appreciates my business. For now LR is not cloud only but who knows how long that will last. No cloud for me, adios Adobe!
Pete

 

[Keith]

And in the meantime you can still go to various file sharing sites and steal photoshop if that's your thing, this won't change! In fact the only version of photoshop I've ever actually used was a pirated version put onto the hard drive of a PC I bought from a geek friend who built systems for friends. I didn't realised he'd done it until I got the computer home.

I just paid $59.00 to register my trial version of ACDSee Pro ... which is all the PP softwate I'm likely to need.

 

[Sparrow]

I did a search with google yesterday for "happy adobe customers" and found a few gallant souls defending adobe against a torrent of negative opinions ...

But, as I've already said, it isn't the customers adobe are trying to please

 

[sepiareverb]

But, as I've already said, it isn't the customers adobe are trying to please

No it isn't. And charts like that might signal the beginning of the end of owning software.

 

[Sparrow]

No it isn't. And charts like that might signal the beginning of the end of owning software.

I'm not so sure ... I can see a bit of a dip since the CC announcement

 

[jtm6]

Google reads G-mail

Just to be clear, they scan and archive everything they collect forever.

there is no trust on the cloud.

I never understood why anyone would think it is a good idea to store anything on someone else's computer. But "the Cloud" does sound so much sexier than "client/server" or "terminal/mainframe" when rationalizing why one should upgrade their pocket supercomputer. 64 gigs in your pocket is so small... I mean that can only hold like a billion libraries. 😉

 

[jtm6]

No it isn't. And charts like that might signal the beginning of the end of owning software.

Customers rarely own software. They own non-exclusive licenses to use companies' software. The delivery method has changed but the licensing is very similar. The companies can just enforce their licenses better now.

 

[Murchu]

But, as I've already said, it isn't the customers adobe are trying to please

Apparently Adobe's stock price rose after the CC announcement, which I imagine was the market looking on Adobe more favourably as an investment with the subscription move adding stability to their revenue stream. That said, if Adobe loses money over this, I can see their stock going the opposite way, so hard to read too much into this. Also even if their customers start to drop, may be a little before we see it reflected in their revenue, as from I can see, most will end up paying more with a subscription than they did before, as people skipped upgrades.

 

[Murchu]

No insinuation implied or intended. But those who have not bought Photoshop just ain't go no dog in this fight.

Very shortsighted argument. If all that made a company successful was its current customer base, life would be easy, however long term success is about keeping your current customers happy *and* their future/ potential customers. If Adobe p*sses off the latter, where do they expect any future growth to come from, after all.

 

[3rdtrick]

Customers rarely own software. They own non-exclusive licenses to use companies' software. The delivery method has changed but the licensing is very similar. The companies can just enforce their licenses better now.

Own or not, they just better not try to take away from me something that I paid for in good faith unless they want to return my payment in full. I paid for Photoshop CS4 outright and expect to be able to use it as long as I am alive. They do not have to make it run on future computers or with future camera files but I expect it to run as it does today. Do not get ideas about taking away activation, I would consider that as theft.
Pete