sepiareverb
genius and moron
Thank you.
Ranchu
Veteran
If you look closely you'll see that I'm actually bitching, and you're whining about me doing it, Al.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
As a paid PS user since CS4 (and non PS user before that) I thank you.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
Exactly. Where I work we pay a monthly fee for the software on our servers, and I wonder how IBM licensed mainframe software in the old days.
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
I'm not whining, I'm pointing out how the world works...
And, as an Elements owner, I might be willing to pay a monthly fee to get continual updates. Just like we do on our servers at work, where we don't OWN the software, just pay a monthly fee for it's use.
3rdtrick
Well-known
And yes my Photoshop and upgrades have been bought and paid for since PS1 on 3.5 inch disks. Do you remember Windows 3.11??? I still have it on a virtual machine in case I want to look at something from the past and I expect to be able to do the same with Photoshop years from now.
The software pirates will beat the cloud and the only ones that will be hurt are the paying customers.
Pete
The software pirates will beat the cloud and the only ones that will be hurt are the paying customers.
Pete
Ranchu
Veteran
Al Patterson
Ferroequinologist
You'd pay a monthly fee for ELEMENTS?
If that was the model I would need to continue getting upgrades, yes. The full package is more than I need and costs more than I can justify. YMMV or course.
I pay a monthly fee for cable, phone, etc. Why not software? This maybe the future of software . Time will tell...
Ranchu
Veteran
Time will tell indeed. Adobe can have my p!ss.
jtm6
Well-known
Ahh... this might explain why I had to agree to a one year contract but can only pay month-to-month... best case is they wouldn't pay anything and I'd violate the contract. Every now and then when I'm offline one of my apps says the subscription has expired for that month and only gives me a few more days. I'd rather just pay for a year to avoid having it disable itself because I can't get online (even if they did already process my payment!).
It reminds of when I was in Japan and tried to launch some legitimate software. I didn't bring the CD-ROMs so it wouldn't let me use it. I never used that software ever again. I don't want to have to pay some hotel internet fee just so I can verify it is paid for. What a crock.
Ranchu
Veteran
Maybe someone in the thread said this and I missed it, but it just dawned on me so I'll share. I'll tell you how the world works, Al.
None of this we've been talking about is the main issue. What Adobe is planning is ALREADY a rights grab. They are taking ownership of your files, and then selling the right to use them back to you!
They are stealing your work and selling it back to you!
I'll break this down, Al. Imagine if you had to pay canon monthly for the use of that ql17 G3 or your hypothetical dslr, and if you stopped your monthly payments you'd lose access to every picture you made with it until you started paying again.
SausalitoDog
Well-known
You know, this really has me thinking...
Why in the world would I want all my files saved as .psd files if this is a first step toward...
I really thought .psd was the way to go, that it would always be safe and editable.
I know a lot of other apps can open .psd but will that always be the case?
Why in the world would I want all my files saved as .psd files if this is a first step toward...
I really thought .psd was the way to go, that it would always be safe and editable.
I know a lot of other apps can open .psd but will that always be the case?
bhop73
Well-known
Actually.. you can save your files to your hard drive of choice. You don't ever have to store them in their "cloud".. You'd still have access and ownership of all your work. The thing they'd be taking away if you cancelled your subscription, is the software that would allow you to open those files.
FWIW, i'm against Adobe's decision, I just think your analogy wasn't correct.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
I can only tell you why I will continue to save files as .PSD. I save them with the layers unflattened and unsharpened so that if I need to later go back and adjust a file so a print works better with others in an exhibit, I can do so with no IQ loss. This is a situation I currently encounter.
Of course I do believe I will always be able to open these files in my current version of Photoshop. If Microsoft ever makes a version of windows that my current version of Photoshop will not run on, I will simply create another partition for say "Windows 12" for whatever the last version is that it will run on.
But then I am not one of those that believes this new pricing model will destroy a company with 32 years of growth, successful new product introductions, high profits, and holding $3.5 billion in cash.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
You must see a lot of those black helicopters flying over your house.
SausalitoDog
Well-known
peterm1
Veteran
Yes I used to see a lot of them too. Then the flying saucers shot some of them down and they stopped. Now if I could only get rid of that damned Elvis guy out of my attic!
Now, that's taking the p**s
mr.yates
that's Ellsworth.
Some excellent points made by Brad Trent here on May 9th.
Then in the next comment by Photo-John, mention of "Hotel CC where we can check in but never check out". These two really sum up my feelings on this mess. Sure CS6 will continue to work as long as my machine will support it, but once one gets on CC you're hooked unless you're willing to invest a lot of effort to detox. Or, one might be able to use CC without getting hooked and simply save everything as a flattened TIFF and be done with it. But the new features such as Camera Raw adjustments on layers and Smart Sharpening with Noise reduction are not backward compatible to CS 6, and so revisiting an image for another purpose as Bob Michaels does becomes impossible if one cannot continue to 'rent the room'..
Perhaps software was never 'owned' by any of us, but we were not having to rent it in this fashion. My copy of CS4 still runs on that old laptop, and CS6 on this new machine. As long as the machines run I can use this software which I paid to do. Deciding that I can only pay to play in the short term is a big change, once which makes the software LESS valuable in my opinion.
Alternatives? Maybe. But not equally robust ones that I've seen. I'll keep looking but I suppose I'm already addicted.
Then in the next comment by Photo-John, mention of "Hotel CC where we can check in but never check out". These two really sum up my feelings on this mess. Sure CS6 will continue to work as long as my machine will support it, but once one gets on CC you're hooked unless you're willing to invest a lot of effort to detox. Or, one might be able to use CC without getting hooked and simply save everything as a flattened TIFF and be done with it. But the new features such as Camera Raw adjustments on layers and Smart Sharpening with Noise reduction are not backward compatible to CS 6, and so revisiting an image for another purpose as Bob Michaels does becomes impossible if one cannot continue to 'rent the room'..
Perhaps software was never 'owned' by any of us, but we were not having to rent it in this fashion. My copy of CS4 still runs on that old laptop, and CS6 on this new machine. As long as the machines run I can use this software which I paid to do. Deciding that I can only pay to play in the short term is a big change, once which makes the software LESS valuable in my opinion.
Alternatives? Maybe. But not equally robust ones that I've seen. I'll keep looking but I suppose I'm already addicted.
Ranchu
Veteran
Exactly. You rent access to your own files that you created from Adobe. Everybody may call you the owner, but you're renting. You have to buy usage from Adobe in order to sell it!
From Mr yates' link
"Ultimately, I think the biggest concern with Adobe’s Creative Cloud subscription service is what happens if you don’t pay the bill. Will you end up with .PSD and .TIFF files that you can’t use? By using Photoshop CC once, are you committing to using it forever if you want to continue to access your files? Is there a middle ground, in case you decide you want to opt out or you find some other software you like better? It’s scary to think about not being able to access my thousands and thousands of photo files just because I can’t or decide not to pay my Adobe bill."
http://reviews.photographyreview.com/adobe-photoshop-cc-creative-cloud-software-controversy
Bob Michaels
nobody special
Remember that Ranchu does not own any version of Photoshop but is concerned for those "hypothetical people" that do. So he is a bit confused about how Photoshop actually works.