jtm6
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Service is the act of providing something. You receive service when you get your car fixed. You receive service when you rent a car.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Adobe DNG converter can do the same, and is free...
jarski
Veteran
ok learned something new
so converted DNG's from new cameras can be opened though outdated ACR.mani
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Renting a car is not a good analogy for this situation. In fact, it's very hard to find a suitable analogy, because it's not often that you can rent a tool to modify something you own, which then locks you into using that same tool to access your own assets in the future.
As I said before, 'renting' software is a widespread business model now - but none of the services that I know about, and which I've used at the companies I've worked for, lock you into a proprietary format which means you need to keep using the same service forever in order to retain access to your own files or assets.
I guess the remedy for this might be:
1. not using any feature of Photoshop CC that isn't backwards compatible with earlier versions of Ps, or which other applications cannot open. (there would then hardly be any point in using the service).
2. Always save a flattened TIFF of every image you process with Ps CC.
As for the discussion about 'cloud' vs local processing - Adobe have suggested that sometime in the future they may have some features that are cloud-processed. I was at an Adobe meeting where this was floated. Can't remember the specifics, but the idea was that the user would rent premium 'cloud-only' features. The idea may have been abandoned, but I'm not certain.
jtm6
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I was referring only to the quoted comment that renting a car is not a service. I agree renting cars isn't a good analogy.
My feeling is it probably isn't abandoned, a company will set a precedent, people will be outraged, but eventually we will have to adopt it and the next generation will think it is cool, normal, and we are nuts. Meanwhile, they would never let anyone see some of their files yet be perfectly ok with storing them on a stranger's computer.
Remember not too long ago when everyone was talking about how the younger generation was so vain, that they thought they were special and the world revolved around them? I don't hear to much about it anymore. Probably because all the complainers are busy uploading pictures of their lunch to facebook and tweeting about it.
Some of us will adopt and adapt.I remember the mainframe/terminal and server/client days. Now we have supercomputers in our pockets that can store more information than we can read in a lifetime. If they really want all the storage and processing on their computers, then how can they justify more than $20 for a laptop. But besides all that, why would anybody want that? Seriously. Everyone can accomplish the same work on their own devices while the HW and SW companies keep making money. The only thing is the storing/processing files on some stranger's serverfarm. Why? What is the motivation?
jtm6
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When Adobe senses that happening, the cloud users will get a happy update that removes backward compatibility from the file format. That is almost always the reason I upgrade CS. I have to be able to open newer files created by others. Even if Adobe were following an upgrade cycle of a new CS every two years, I personally wouldn't need to upgrade for at least 6+ years.
Too bad state governments don't depend on Adobe software. From 2005: Massachusetts plans to abandon Microsoft Office
Hence the .appx format.
jtm6
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I agree and know what you mean. I was referring to the ordinary users, customers, etc. Back in the late 90s I was involved in a lot of the technologies that are now surfacing. It was one of the many reasons I quit that job and switched careers.
This conversation could get very big very fast. It would make Adobe's CC look like just another little example of a bad precedent. But we are the crazy old folks that "don't get it" even though we've witnessed the small changes over time. It will eventually be commonplace. Today's five year olds will think copyrights are an arcane evil by the time they get to high school. My parents said the same thing as did their parents, for better or worse.
Aristophanes
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A service is the provision of non-material goods (chattel) or property (real estate) as part of a bargain or voluntary offering.
A license is permission to use.
Both are subject to contract law, but generally personal service contracts cannot be enforced (we cannot compel someone to do something, but can force rescission of the bargain) and product exchanges are governed by product liability (warranty to strict). Real estate has a whole other set of rules.
3rdtrick
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I was referring only to the quoted comment that renting a car is not a service. I agree renting cars isn't a good analogy.
My feeling is it probably isn't abandoned, a company will set a precedent, people will be outraged, but eventually we will have to adopt it and the next generation will think it is cool, normal, and we are nuts. Meanwhile, they would never let anyone see some of their files yet be perfectly ok with storing them on a stranger's computer.
Remember not too long ago when everyone was talking about how the younger generation was so vain, that they thought they were special and the world revolved around them? I don't hear to much about it anymore. Probably because all the complainers are busy uploading pictures of their lunch to facebook and tweeting about it.
I remember the mainframe/terminal and server/client days. Now we have supercomputers in our pockets that can store more information than we can read in a lifetime. If they really want all the storage and processing on their computers, then how can they justify more than $20 for a laptop. But besides all that, why would anybody want that? Seriously. Everyone can accomplish the same work on their own devices while the HW and SW companies keep making money. The only thing is the storing/processing files on some stranger's serverfarm. Why? What is the motivation?
I remember mainframes too. They were big in the 20th century. We just got rid of our mainframe control system because of the software licensing fees. Adobe is trying to take us back to the past. Maybe they are the ones that need to adapt. I wonder if the 'Cloud' is Y2K compliant???
Pete
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Plus? Pats? Peas? Pubs? Pits. Pass. Puns. Pros. It's pros, isn't it?
They're taking the pros and leaving the amateurs behind. That's it.Aristophanes
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Adobe is taking Photoshop not so much into the cloud as into enterprise software territory.
Print publications and output are in steep decline and, guess what? That is Photoshop's bread and butter. Those clients are selling less print, less print ads, and less exposure and getting much less money. So, to keep their revenue stream Adobe is pricing Photoshop a different way and to different customers.
They want agency and bureau customers who have long term interests. Adobe does not want prosumers to have access to those same tools because it provides unwanted, non-remunerative competition.
I am not sure this will work as today's prosumer is often tomorrow's pro. The path to the graphics arts paying category has many starting points and Adobe's price structure and persistent payment system do not really cater to those who explore. Therefore Adobe products will see less and less user interest from the broader pool of potential users.
Then again, maybe those users are leaving Photoshop because it has to much muscle for the vast majority of viewing which is online and will never be in print. There are market measure to which only Adobe is privy.
MaxElmar
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I work for a major university that currently has thousands of Adobe volume licenses floating around. As of yesterday, I was told our software office could not come to terms with Adobe for site or volume licensing for Creative Cloud. Basically, departments and individuals are going to be on their own to purchase full price subscriptions. I can tell you right now from the reaction of my boss, it's not going to happen. It's a huge price increase disguised as a policy change. My main tool is LR, so I'm still fine, but the writing is on the wall.... I'm looking to replace InDesign and Photoshop. Since I don't print much anymore, I don't think it's going to be a big deal.
The Adobe rep I spoke to wasn't too happy with the situation, either, but he felt he made the best offer he could. Interesting times. Adobe may wind up accommodating my employer in some way as we are a very large and visible customer, but I guess we'll see...
The Adobe rep I spoke to wasn't too happy with the situation, either, but he felt he made the best offer he could. Interesting times. Adobe may wind up accommodating my employer in some way as we are a very large and visible customer, but I guess we'll see...