Adobe; that does it!

I can't really get upset about Adobe. If they get away with charging more in Europe, good for them. No one is forcing anyone to buy it. If you need it to make your living, I would think that the cost of Photoshop is small enough to be considered irrelevant.

I can not for the life of me understand why so many amateurs get into their head that they "need" Photoshop, 16bit or not. I guess, after spending cold hard cash on an IPS display, 16bit printer, hardware calibration and a top spec'd computer to run it all - the cost of the software is just too much to bear?
 
If I am correct the op is not happy due to the fact that it is much more expensive in Europe than in the US..... nothing wrong with that.

And there is no need for the software to be more expensive in Europe.
 
cirque said:
I can't really get upset about Adobe. If they get away with charging more in Europe, good for them.
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Companies can 'get away' with all sorts of stuff but that doesn't mean that one can't be upset about it. Especially when they are selling through the web and there is no apparent reason why they should have to charge Europeans more than US residents.
 
I bought CS4 in a similar offer last year. As a registered PSE user, Adobe emailed me. Whether or not I get $300 worth of better use of PS compared with PSE is debatable. PS is indeed a very capable program. But, it it is also complex with a steep learning curve. That makes me ask how many amateurs are using the program effectively.

The offer is also void in Quebec. I recall similar offers that were also void in Quebec. Many special offers here in the States are not valid in Hawaii and Alaska. I doubt shipping costs are the issue.

My experience living in the UK is about two decades old. But, I did buy a fair amount of U.S. software on the local market. Prices were consistently much higher than in the U.S., typically a straight dollar-to-pounds conversion. Vendors offered all kinds of excuses, even though in many cases the manufacturing facilities were in the UK. (As I recall, music CD wholesalers got in some trouble during that time when they were caught jacking up the prices of their products.)

Re: student use -- If they wanted to, Adobe could capture when every instance of PS is launched. By sifting through that data, they could get a decent idea if a student package is being used on another machine.

Re: pirated software -- I agree with Pickett that it's difficult to build up much angst about chasing down individual pirates who wouldn't have bought the software anyway. Businesses do pirate, though, and that seems a legitimate target.
 
My only point to the OP was that he provided a link to the upgrade price on the US site and seemed to be referencing the Full price on the page he linked to indicating the NOK price. Comparing apples to oranges.
 
Lossen up

Lossen up

You have got to be kidding me! People on this forum buy the most expensive cameras and lenses in the world (excluding Hassy's) and your going to complain about a few dollars for a software program. If you do not want to pay the price use something else, there are many available including some supplied from your camera manufacture. Please forgive me for such an outburst, but I live on a fixed income, drool after an M8 or M9 and a few lenses, but realize that unless I hit the lottery it is an impossible dream. I am thankful for my Nikon D3OO and Capture NX.
 
Pickett Wilson said:
I tend to support companies whose software is closely connected to my livelihood. Which is why I don't complain about Adobe's pricing. I do find some company's insistence that they are losing millions of dollars to software theft a little hard to understand, though. People who steal software are unlikely to have bought it, anyway. So it's not really a loss. It is more an ethical issue (as is using Student priced software when you aren't a student) for those who steal it.

And I can't imagine a photographer who worries about his ownership of copyrights to his photos ever using stolen software.

Having said that, beyond the ethical aspect, it's just stupid to use stolen software commercially or professionally.
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Sure, you have little reason to complain about Adobe pricing. Since you are an American. Adobe's European customers are subsidising American customers! Disregard me comparing the US upgrade price with full version here in Europe. It is still far more expensive to upgrade here in Europe. This, according to Adobe's official explanation; Europeans are better paid (?) and more reliable creditors (!).

I can assure you that not many CEO's (presidents, stockbrokers etc.) here in Europe earn as much as
their American equals.

It is us, the Europeans, that have all the reason to complain about the fact that we are treated differently by Adobe. Because we are more reliable customers!

Scandal!
 
I believe there are things that are more expensive in the US than in Europe, as well. I guess life isn't always fair. But, you know, what are we going to do?
 
....and excluding Quebec!

Never mind that Adobe are up-pricing their products here in Europe. After all, we Europeans are soft on Iran (yet another Middle East oil producer with 'weapons of mass destruction'..) and want to pull out of Afganistan. We must be punished for that.

But the quebecans, what have they done wrong....?
 
Pickett Wilson said:
I believe there are things that are more expensive in the US than in Europe, as well. I guess life isn't always fair. But, you know, what are we going to do?
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From what I read in the news it is a range of European exporters that sell their products in USA to a lower price in USA than in Europe. Leica is one good example! From what I read, Volkswagen, Audi and Porsche have all been selling their products in USA with a huge loss in the last few years or so. - I could go on.

Can you name any major product that is cheaper here in Europe...?
 
Pickett Wilson said:
But, you know, what are we going to do?
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How about complaining?

I hate this "It is how it is, deal with it" attitude. That's exactly why they get away with it. If enough people started to complain that would create bad publicity which may lead them to lower their prices.
 
Chriscrawfordphoto said:
Photoshop's alternatives are all badly hobbled by problems that simply make then unusable for professional work. GIMP doesn't support color management or 16 bit layers.
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Chris-
The GEGL framework was implemented in Gimp 2.6. Support for color management is improving and 16 bit is on the way.
 
Jamie123 said:
How about complaining?

I hate this "It is how it is, deal with it" attitude. That's exactly why they get away with it. If enough people started to complain that would create bad publicity which may lead them to lower their prices.
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You are absolutely right. Over here there have been several Facebook campaigns complaining about prices of a lot of products.
 
DanOnRoute66 said:
Most pharmaceuticals.
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This vary from country to country here in Europe. Like here in Scandinavia. Here it is our governments that negotiate the prices of the most important medicines, on behalf of the population. This is an effective way of reducing prices. But it does not work that way all the time and with all kinds of medicines.
 
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