Amazed that Shell thread was closed

xayraa33 said:
I don't know, but if I was a head of the British Royal Family and had the means to get rid of Diana through a professional manner (assasination) that did not lead back to me, I would have choosen that route.
Diana was making the Royals look bad with her late behavior.
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That, my Bessa using, bowler wearing friend, is a CONSPIRACY THEORY. :p
 
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there was no objection to the subject, there was objection to how it was being discussed.
it was getting rude and self righteous, much like this thread is.

and to be clear...i invited no one to leave but i will again point out that if rff is not up to your liking or your standards than feel free to find a site that is - or better yet, start your own sites and let the members run it to their liking.

joe
 
Thardy said:
That, my Bessa using, bowler wearing friend, is a CONSPIRACY THEORY. :p
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yes it is.

conspiracies happen anywhere you have human beings.
they are as natural as breathing (together).
it is a shortcut to someone, or some groups problem.
 
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Hi Joe,

back alley said:
there was no objection to the subject, there was objection to how it was being discussed.
it was getting rude and self righteous, much like this thread is.
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[Emphasis mine]
Actually I think this one doesn't. It's still rather civil. It discusses a problematic practice, but that's about it. That kind of discussion should be possible, or at least I don't see any reason why it shouldn't, neither in my own limited subjective view of right and wrong nor in the site rules.

Hey Steve,

dazedgonebye said:
As it is, I'm afraid we've all volunteered to live in a dictatorship. It’s a benevolent dictatorship to be sure, and since there are no armed guards manning the walls we can leave when it suits us. [...]
I just don’t think we should dilute a concept so important as a “right” by deluding ourselves in to thinking we have any.
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I don't have any "rights" here. I have a community that I like, and some things happening in it that I don't like. I have three options, in that order:

  1. Keep my mouth shut
  2. Say what worries me
  3. Leave
Currently I'm at #2. I don't see anything wrong with doing so, and I don't think someone can accuse me of not doing it in a civil manner. If Stephen or a moderator thinks I shouldn't voice my concern, or not the way I do, I'm ready to discuss that in an open and honest manner. I don't see where I'm claiming any "rights" by doing so.

Philipp
 
rxmd said:
Hi Joe,


[Emphasis mine]
Actually I think this one doesn't. It's still rather civil. It discusses a problematic practice, but that's about it. That kind of discussion should be possible, or at least I don't see any reason why it shouldn't, neither in my own limited subjective view of right and wrong nor in the site rules.

Hey Steve,


I don't have any "rights" here. I have a community that I like, and some things happening in it that I don't like. I have three options, in that order:

  1. Keep my mouth shut
  2. Say what worries me
  3. Leave
Currently I'm at #2. I don't see anything wrong with doing so, and I don't think someone can accuse me of not doing it in a civil manner. If Stephen or a moderator thinks I shouldn't voice my concern, or not the way I do, I'm ready to discuss that in an open and honest manner. I don't see where I'm claiming any "rights" by doing so.

Philipp
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I agree entirely that discussion is good. I even said that it was not bad in my earlier post.
This is really getting into a whole 'nuther area.
When we begin a discussion and frame it as being about "censorship," I think we've already reached the conclusion...because most of us would agree that censorship is a bad thing.
The line to be drawn for appropriate moderation is not so clear cut as the case against "censorship."
 
Maybe we need an unmoderated area.

Maybe like>

alt.rff.unmoderated
alt.rff.magus
alt.rff.magus.unmoderated

etc.
:)

I find it is getting rather tiring to keep reading threads about threads, and threads that keep getting closed because apparently we are not adult enough to have differences of opinion.
 
mrtoml said:
I find it is getting rather tiring to keep reading threads about threads, and thread that keep getting closed because apparently we are not adult enough to have differences of opinion.
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Agreed. Out of a desire to avoid all disagreement, perfectly reasonable debates are being closed when they show the slightest sign of passion. Some people here seem far too sensitive, confusing animated argument with abusiveness, and sadly some of them have moderating powers. The result is an increasingly anodyne forum, and one I'm close to giving up on. Every time a thread becomes remotely animated, someone calls for it to be closed, and a few pages later closed it what it becomes.

Ian
 
back alley said:
major photo story?
do you know how silly that sounds?

if we are not living up to your expectations perhaps you might find another forum to your liking...

joe
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Thank you Joe. I am glad to see that thread closed. It added nothing to the discussion of rangefinders or photography.

Bob
 
rpsawin said:
Thank you Joe. I am glad to see that thread closed. It added nothing to the discussion of rangefinders or photography.

Bob
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Well, I suppose SG could just get rid of the whole OT forum already. Would you like him to do that lest this forum be sullied by discussions of matters other than 'rangefinders or photography'?
 
there seems to be no winning with some of you folks.
i do appreciate those who are willing to take a look at rff from the eyes of a moderator.

i think it's interesting that most of the rude comments and accusations made by members seem to be fine and acceptable by most and yet any action taken or word spoken by the owner or a mod is automatically condemed.
and if it's childish to invite people to explore other websites then so be it.
i see it as no more childish than some of you holding on to your 'rights' to be rude and uninformed.
 
J J Kapsberger said:
Well, I suppose SG could just get rid of the whole OT forum already. Would you like him to do that lest this forum be sullied by discussions of matters other than 'rangefinders or photography'?
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JJ,

This is exactly why the thread was shut down. If you call the insults and digs that have been thrown back and forth in this thread a "discussion" than yes...the ot forum should go if the participants can't behave.

Best regards,

Bob
 
Some people just can't live without controversy. It's the same at work, on forums, in families etc. If there isnt something to complain about what's the point? If there isnt anything to fight about something MUST be created and fast so that we may argue and bicker.

Nothing wrong with disagreement and discussion but when it comes to name calling and personal attacks it is just useless gets us nowhere.
There are quite a lot of users on this forum. A few less won't bother me.
 
I saw the "closing" of this thread at the time I replied to it...It was interesting to see just how long it took for the mods to close it...like I said in my reply...The only reason some people cared about Mr. Shell was because he was some kind of photographer...
 
Hi Joe,

back alley said:
i think it's interesting that most of the rude comments and accusations made by members seem to be fine and acceptable by most and yet any action taken or word spoken by the owner or a mod is automatically condemed.
and if it's childish to invite people to explore other websites then so be it.
i see it as no more childish than some of you holding on to your 'rights' to be rude and uninformed.
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Excuse me, Joe, but I think you can do better than this. "Any action taken or word spoken by a moderator" is "automatically condemned"? Please, we're talking quite specifically about closing threads here, not "any action or word"; that insulted tone is really beneath you. I don't know whether it was you or Stephen closing that thread, but you as moderator and he as site owner have special privileges that other users don't enjoy. These might be the topic of discussion every now and then. Do you see a problem with that? I certainly don't. "Holding on to his 'right' to be rude and uninformed"? I don't see anyone here doing that - do you? Who?

Philipp
 
pesphoto said:
common sense should tell you what is rude and what is not.
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Which is part of the problem. People are looking for definitions of something they refuse to accept responsibility for. Treat each other with respect and courtesy. If some one goes astray from that, report the post. This is not the wild west, fastest gun on the street isn't going to win.

It has been mentioned here that this is the big bad Internet, and everyone should expect to be in heated arguments. "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Sorry, that isn't how it is. There are plenty of places where you can have those types of discussions. Not here. Have lively debate, leave you flames and rudeness at your sides.
 
ernstk said:
And an interesting wall it is too (Antonine's, not Hadrians).

Scotland was the only part of Europe that the Romans couldn't conquer. makes me feel vaguely proud to be a Scot....

Ernst
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Don't forget Wales and...Cornwall...
 
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