Amazing photos of Nazi Germany by Hugo Jaeger using a Leica LTM??

Bear in mind too that the National Socialist Democratic Workers' Party specifically called itself socialist,

That was mere window dressing even at their very start - they had started out as one of the associated party of the extreme-right Freikorps paramilitaries, who had been engaged in coups and terrorist acts against socialist Post WWI governments (and French and British troops) in all German regions. There was absolutely nothing left about them or any of their allies.

They had had one fraction that had partially leftist leanings in wanting to redistribute the evil Bolshevist-Zionist International Capital into workers hands rather than among nationally inclined capitalist friends of the party leaders, but these guys were massacred in the 1934 "Röhm-Putsch" - so whatever "left" Nazis there might have been ended in the first big unlawful massacre they ever did...
 
Thanks for posting the link to a very interesting collection of photos from such a turbulent time in our history. It is one of the few threads in a long time on this forum that has stimulated a large response in such a short time.

Bob
 
Kodachrome? I think not, unless there was a supply there before the war. The US had an embargo on goods to Germany. The FSA shot with some of the first Kodachromes and it was still being experimented with. After the war all the Agfa patents were taken by Kodak and they helped to further the refinement of Kodachrome.

As someone who lost a great deal of family during the war, I don't find these images "humanizing" at all. Color just brings them more to life and in that, makes them more deadly.
 
To me those images are humanizing.

Hitler's acts were not. But the great photographer's effort with his presence and superb composition, describing so admirably what was happening around him, reality and not just a movie, is IMO moving, sacred and humanizing.

Cheers,

Juan
 
That was mere window dressing even at their very start - they had started out as one of the associated party of the extreme-right Freikorps paramilitaries, who had been engaged in coups and terrorist acts against socialist Post WWI governments (and French and British troops) in all German regions. There was absolutely nothing left about them or any of their allies.

They had had one fraction that had partially leftist leanings in wanting to redistribute the evil Bolshevist-Zionist International Capital into workers hands rather than among nationally inclined capitalist friends of the party leaders, but these guys were massacred in the 1934 "Röhm-Putsch" - so whatever "left" Nazis there might have been ended in the first big unlawful massacre they ever did...

Much as I take your point, and familiar as I am with the history of the Stahlhelm and the like, I'd have to argue that it was the sort of window dressing that fooled enough of the people, enough of the time -- which is not a bad definition of many kinds of politics, even if few kinds are as repulsive as the NSDAP. The 'workers' (another word shared with the communists) were as enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis as the petit bourgeoisie who were their natural constituents, and the party wasn't that hot on democracy either. In fact, 'National' and 'Party' are the only accurate words in NDSAP, and even those are not hard to criticize. Prior to Hitler there were plenty of patriotic German Jews, so it wasn't very national, and the Fuehrerprinzip somewhat negates the idea of 'party'. This is what I meant by people thinking of themselves as 'moderates', regardless of their politics. Finding a congenial label, then passively going along with its consequences, is a lot quicker and easier than taking political responsibility.

A thought which occurred to me over lunch is that anyone who is not prepared to discuss politics and religion should be barred from polite society, and indeed from forums such as this. Here, by definition, a love of photography unites us, while our politics may vary widely. We therefore have a perfect forum for 'meeting' people with other political views.

If we do not discuss things, how are we to know what others think and believe, or thought and believed? If we listen only to those in our own little political ghettos, all that is likely to happen is that our views (no matter what they are) will be reinforced, first to the point of failing to understand others; then to the point of misrepresenting them; and finally to the point of hating them.

Finally, you might appreciate a joke from the John Major days in Britain (the current state of Australian politics reminded me of it): a T-shirt with a picture of John Major, and under it, in Fraktur, "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Kein Fuehrer."

Cheers,

R.
 
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"moving, sacred and humanizing."

I don't find these images to be that at all. They are tecnically superb and a document of their time. The Germans said this about Hitler.
 
Kodachrome? I think not, unless there was a supply there before the war. The US had an embargo on goods to Germany. The FSA shot with some of the first Kodachromes and it was still being experimented with. After the war all the Agfa patents were taken by Kodak and they helped to further the refinement of Kodachrome.
Dear Keith,

Surprisingly many things went through neutral countries, so Kodachrome is not impossible, though I agree that it is improbable.

As far as I am aware, non-substantive Kodachrome owed very little to the substantive Agfa process, though Ektachrome is almost certainly another matter.

Cheers,

R.
 
When my children were studying this period at secondary school I screened Cabaret with Liza Minnelli and Conspiracy staring Kenneth Branagh to try to bring the history to life ... these have that same disturbing depiction of the era

For whom it may concern, political discussion was discouraged back then too ...
 
Kodachrome? I think not, unless there was a supply there before the war. The US had an embargo on goods to Germany.

There was no embargo until Germany declared war on the US in December 1941 - as a neutral nation, the US were not shipping strategic goods, and German restrictions on the flow of convertible currencies made trading less than attractive, but the German branches of US corporations were generally no less involved in the German war effort than their German competitors.

Kodak had a major German branch, which did distribute Kodachrome in Germany on a limited scale ever since its release (shipment from/to the US still meant it was too expensive for massive marketing) - so there are Kodachrome images from Nazi Germany, not only by US tourists, but also by Germans. That ceased when Germany started the war, but that was no matter of an US embargo, but an issue of German financial politics which made it illegal to use convertible currencies to pay for non-strategic imports.

After the war all the Agfa patents were taken by Kodak and they helped to further the refinement of Kodachrome.

Agfa always claimed that. But that was an exaggeration. The Agfa patents were put in the public domain, and many makers that had no colour process of their own picked it up. But Kodak itself did not, and did not even lift much know-how from them - Kodak were confident that they had several processes with a better dye immobilization strategy. And they were right - all types of Kodak colour film (Kodachrome, Kodacolor and Ektachrome), remained superior at least in longevity until the late seventies (and only the best film by Agfa itself, Agfachrome 50, could match Kodak in colour rendition), when Kodak's patents ran out and all the Agfa process users switched to Kodak type processes...
 
Embargo on goods to Germany?
Try Coca-Cola (they made Fanta FOR the Nazis), and IBM (replacement parts and servicing of machines used to categorize/organize the holocaust and many American IBM employees visited concentration camps to service these IBM machines on site). So we have two American giants so far... why not a third (Kodak) ?
 
i have read that in the 30's and 40's the contax cameras were seen as more professional and the leica was a new entrant

Quite the opposite. Leitz popularised the 35mm format for still photography from 1925 onwards and Zeiss-Ikon jumped into the market somewhat later, in 1932.
 
thank you for sharing this set. photography at its best. reminds me collection from albert kahn - different subjects but also very early historical color photography.
 
They are very powerful chronology and date to the early part of the war ~1938-1940. I'd imagine the film is Agfacolor.

There are some pre-war rallies, annexation of the Sudetenland, Anschluss, invasion of Poland (bombed cities, plane and ship "Baltyk"), invasion of the low-countries, France, Dunkirk.

Chilling.

- Charlie
 
replacement parts and servicing of machines used to categorize/organize the holocaust and many American IBM employees visited concentration camps to service these IBM machines on site

Do you have any source for this, it sounds highly unlikely that the Germans would have allowed an American national near a concentration camp?
 
I'd like to revise my statement on keeping the ideology debate out of this thread. My meaning was, let's keep the demagoguing out of this thread. Suggesting the Tea Party would find the Nazi Party "swell" is abhorrent to me...so would suggesting the Occupy movement might find the Khmer Rouge "dandy". Haven't we learned anything from history? I guess it's human nature, or perhaps just easier, to blame others for a current state of affairs...
 
Finally, you might appreciate a joke from the John Major days in Britain (the current state of Australian politics reminded me of it): a T-shirt with a picture of John Major, and under it, in Fraktur, "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Kein Fuehrer."
Kein Fuehrer indeed. If we get the leadership we deserve then we've done something very bad indeed. And I mean the leaders and potential alternative leaders of all our political parties, in and out of government. They've been (IMO correctly) described as a pack of political pygmies. So far we seem to have got by on a combination of the legacy of good governments in the fast-receding past coupled with large doses of inattention, ignorance, complacency and good luck. The last being the most
important and least reliable.

The photos sparking this thread are a sobering reminder of the extreme outcomes that can result from political processes allowed to run out of all bounds. Politics is a serious business (even if politicians are frequently absurd), and forgetting that can have serious consequences.

...Mike
 
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