American car manufacturers-who needs them?

gb hill said:
Palin is a joke & hasn't a chance. I bet you don't even listen to Limbaugh. I don't agree with him on everything but the last few month's heading up to this election he's been dead on. Your in Canada anyhow, why do you care. BTW I wonder how the Prime Minister of England feels now that he was brushed off by Obama? I wonder if he took back the bust of Churchill that Obama threw out?
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I have heard enough from Rush. The guy is a thrice divorced druggie who makes fun of Parkinson's victims and kids. I am in Canada, but as neighbours what happens to you affects us--that's why I care.
 
Nikon Bob said:
It would have to a short one, these things cost money. War on a budget is an interesting thought but is it possible? Don't anyone get their knickers in a knot meant to be taken lightly.

Bob
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USA has been stealing so much oil from Iraq that the war goes break even. The only thing is that those paying the cost is not the same raking in the oil profit.
 
ebolton said:
You've been listening to Rush again. Which means you are misinformed.

- It was 900 million to Palestine. You are off by a few orders of magnitude.

-It's not going to Hamas. Given the general corruption in the area, some will get there certainly, but not purposly.

-I am a moderate Democrat. I'm quite happy with President Obama. Many of us are.

Suggestion: Stop listening to drug addicts!
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I agree with you here. I even think that this 900 million US $ in aid is a bluff. USA don't have that kind of money ready for such a purpose. Most of this figure is going to be spent in USA, by purchasing 'aid' to a hefty overprice, which is typical for US aid. Like shiploads of cement, - to 'list price'. Which will be aid to certain American building industry companies with ties to certain politicians in USA. The real value for the Palestinians will be far lower.

The same cement could have been bought for a fraction of the cost in the Middle East, regarded as 'the dumping ground for the world's cement producers'.

The next thing would be Caterpillar tractors. To prices that will make just any Caterpillar saleman fall over. Caterpillar is notorious for 'raking in' on the corrupt UN system. I am sure they will benefit from a little Palestinian aid too.

I can go on...

The little cash there will be will come from Scandinavian countries, - on strict instructions from USA, to the PLO and all the corrupt cronies that surounded Yasser Arafat.
 
I just hope the US government learns from our mistakes. The government owning companies like car insurance, telecommunications, this all leads to such a big mess. Any hint of government regulation is such a bad thing. I mean, just look at us now and see what I mean.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/04/saskatchewan.economy/index.html#cnnSTCText

PS. This is not to gloat. As the Primier said, we will be affected to, we are just trying to stay on top of it.
 
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navilluspm said:
I just hope the US government learns from our mistakes. The government owning companies like car insurance, telecommunications, this all leads to such a big mess. Any hint of government regulation is such a bad thing. I mean, just look at us now and see what I mean.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/04/saskatchewan.economy/index.html#cnnSTCText

PS. This is not to gloat. As the Primier said, we will be affected to, we are just trying to stay on top of it.
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Our experience here in Scandinavia is the contrary. Here the respective governments of Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway own parts of banks, oil companies, major industries and insurance companies. To the best of these companies and the tax payers.
 
Olsen said:
Our experience here in Scandinavia is the contrary. Here the respective governments of Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway own parts of banks, oil companies, major industries and insurance companies. To the best of these companies and the tax payers.
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Sorry Olsen - I was being a little sarcastic and that might not have translated online. The link that I used actually talks about how well Saskatchewan is doing - and yes the "Crown" (government) has a large stake in a lot of companies that would be private in the US. I actually think the US can learn a bit from Saskatchewan.

HOWEVER, Saskatchewan was not always like this. In its hayday of "socialism," Saskatchewan was not working on all its econmic cylinders. However, at the moment, there seems to be a proper mix of capitalism and socialistic principles working together. I don't know why socialism always has to be pitted against capitalism. They can work with eachother instead of against eachother. This province, at THIS particular time, is really showing that it is possible to marry the two. The key is to have good government and management which actually try to make crown owned coperations productive for the people.

Having said all this, I still am a little concerned that the pendulum might swing to far the other side of big government and total socialism for many countries around the world, which is also not the solution.

How to fix this mess? Begin were it started: common people have to live within their means and start being fiscally responsibily. When the public becomes predominately fiscally responsible, then they will elect fiscally responsible leaders and hold them accountable, as they hold their own pocket book accountable.

My solution is oversimplistic, I know. But I am neither an economist nor a scientist, so what do I know? All I can do is try to be responsible for myself, teach it to my children, and most importantly thank God for all my blessing and acknowledge his providence and, if I ever loose my job, pray that he helps me be responsible and faithful in my poverty.
 
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... I don't know why socialism always has to be pitted against capitalism. They can work with eachother instead of against eachother. This province, at THIS particular time, is really showing that it is possible to marry the two. ...
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I agree. I think the problem here in the US is attitudes left over from the hysteria of the 50's, maintained and pushed hard ever since by the political right and corporate interests as a convenient wedge issue. The lack of interest and broad knowledge among many Americans allows that to happen. Most adults in the US think Capitalism, Conservatism, Patriotism, and Democracy are all roughly the same thing. Personally, I see the US as a nation based on Democracy and founded by Liberals. They were more extreme than Liberals, actually; they were Revolutionaries, as a matter of fact. You won't hear that on American AM talk radio. Personally, I'd rather have Prosperity than pure Capitalism with my Democracy.
 
Your not going to get prosperity as long as Obama neglects to see whats happening to the stock market & keeps pushing that porkulus spending bill. Hope you heard the interview today on Hannitys radio show with Jim Kramer. He voted for Obama but said this isn't the Obama I voted for. I voted for a moderate. This Obama is way far left. Many Democrats are coming out against Obama's leftist schemes. Open your eyes. BTW all this isn't to blame on Bush. senator Dodd, Frank, Pelosi, ALL said under oath in 2004 there was nothing wrong with the housing market defending their ol pal Franklin Raines who swindled millions from Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae. All of Obama's cabinet members are a bunch of tax cheats.
 
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Obama, a leftist?

Obama is going to bail out huge banks, - the folks that brought us into this crisis, and send the bill to the tax payers. Five generations of US tax payers. - If the Chinese will borrow you the money, that is. Let's hope not!

This has far little to do with any 'leftist' or 'socialist' policy. This is like taking from the poor (the ordinary American) and giving to the rich (bank shareholders, CEOs).

And..

Prosperity for who?

The 400 on the top of The Forbes list will be OK. How will this crisis be for the 100 million of the poorest of US citizens? You'll see, these are the ones that are gonna pay the bill for this party they never attended. You will see that this crisis will hit hard on 'ordinary Americans'. This is not fair, and certainly not due to any 'socialist' policy.
 
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President Obama is pretty well middle-of-the-road in most policies. Coming from the perspective of a Ron Paul supporter, and a Hannity/Limbaugh fan, just about anybody who is actually sane would be a leftist.
 
ebolton said:
President Obama is pretty well middle-of-the-road in most policies. Coming from the perspective of a Ron Paul supporter, and a Hannity/Limbaugh fan, just about anybody who is actually sane would be a leftist.
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Obama was the best of the realistic presidential candidates on the ballot. Still, he would be reckoned as 'far right' here in the Scandinavian political scene. No wonder; Obama has to please the people that financed his campaign.

I don't know anything about Hannity/Limbaugh. European press hasn't found them worth the bother to report on them, I suppose. Ron Paul I know from all these Capitol Hill hearings on the financial crisis. He's got a few good points here and there and it is facinating to listen to him. But, watch it, he is just another 'ideology/economy-crackpot' - in the class of Milton Friedman - and Carl Marx. Please, the situation is so serious now: Save us from these maniacs!
 
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I don't know anything about Hannity/Limbaugh. European press hasn't found them worth the bother to report on them, I suppose.
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Hannity and Limbaugh are right-wing media personalities, with exceptionally large fan bases here in the US. Limbaugh in particular has been instrumental but unofficial in setting the agenda for the Republican party lately. He is very charismatic; he is addicted to pain killers, and some years ago he was arrested because he was forcing his maid to score the pills. Even though he was off the air and in rehab for months, barely dodging the long jail sentence he promotes for other drug offenders, he remains highly popular. He both exagerates and outright lies about verifyable historical facts to support his views. I was forced to listen to him at work for a few years; why he is so popular is truly a mystery to me.
 
ebolton said:
President Obama is pretty well middle-of-the-road in most policies. Coming from the perspective of a Ron Paul supporter, and a Hannity/Limbaugh fan, just about anybody who is actually sane would be a leftist.
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YES!!

Unfortunately I lent my copy of 'Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot' (by Al Franken -- Google it) to a friend who died and neglected to return it beforehand. As she was in her 80s I suspect that her death may not have been divine judgement.

In most of Europe, Obama might be seen as moderate (or possibly soft) right wing. The fact that ANYONE sees him as leftist gives a good clue as to the relative definitions of 'left' and 'right' in American politics.

Anyone who has not heard Lardball on the radio is probably incapable of believing how deeply unpleasant this renowned chickenhawk can be.

Tashi delegs,

R.
 
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ebolton said:
Hannity and Limbaugh are right-wing media personalities, with exceptionally large fan bases here in the US. Limbaugh in particular has been instrumental but unofficial in setting the agenda for the Republican party lately. He is very charismatic; he is addicted to pain killers, and some years ago he was arrested because he was forcing his maid to score the pills. Even though he was off the air and in rehab for months, barely dodging the long jail sentence he promotes for other drug offenders, he remains highly popular. He both exagerates and outright lies about verifyable historical facts to support his views. I was forced to listen to him at work for a few years; why he is so popular is truly a mystery to me.
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Funny how you talk about Limbaugh being a drug addict but totally ignore tax cheats like Gietner, Dashel, & the many others Obama chose to be in his cabnet. I predict in two years Obama's administration will be in such turmoil Secertary of State Hillary Clinton will resign & the American people will have waken up! and will see what Obama is really about, Hillary will come out against Obama & make another run for the White House. Obama, in 5 weeks has already dissed the British. Gave the PM 25 dvd's what a shame. Machelle gave the Brittish PM son's toy helecopters from the WH gift shop. What a joke!
 
Roger Hicks said:
YES!!

Unfortunately I lent my copy of 'Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot' (by Al Franken -- Google it) to a friend who died and neglected to return it beforehand. As she was in her 80s I suspect that her death may not have been divine judgement.

In most of Europe, Obama might be seen as moderate (or possibly soft) right wing. The fact that ANYONE sees him as leftist gives a good clue as to the relative definitions of 'left' and 'right' in American politics.

Anyone who has not heard Lardball on the radio is probably incapable of believing how deeply unpleasant this renowned chickenhawk can be.

Tashi delegs,

R.
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Apparently you know nothing about Al Franken, He stole the election from Norm Coleman, He is a leftist who couldn't hack it on Air America. He is ten times over more the idiot than Limbaugh.
 
I agree 100%. "Too big to fail" is the mantra of the rich and powerful when they get into financial trouble.

dave lackey said:
Chrysler and GM are begging for another friggin' $21 BILLION !!!! Pretty soon, we're going to be talking about a LOT of money...
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I am so sick of corporations wanting bailouts!!!!!

Let them go away...better yet, run them off, there are plenty of Toyotas, Nissans and other car manufacturers out there that produce better products!

And I will be there with my M3 recording the headlines!!!!

What say you?
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