ywenz
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dcsang said:
Sorry, I just returned after a brief hiatus from RFF. I'm just catching up right now... I certainly hope I won't be provoked to make additional replies to this thread. 🙂
An Open Letter......
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Sorry, I just returned after a brief hiatus from RFF. I'm just catching up right now... I certainly hope I won't be provoked to make additional replies to this thread. 🙂
FrankS
Registered User
dcsang said:
Or at least move it.
Andy K
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ywenz said:
I do not agree with your 'logic' at all. You base it on extremely rare happenings. As I have said, all those posts by the thousands of traditional photographers who are always losing their negs to fire, flood, war, alien invasion etc. are overwhelming the internet.
Ps. What is 'rescue software'?
FrankS
Registered User
dcsang said:
Or at least move it. those that want to persue this in the "completely different" forum can have at it there. Just don't swear.
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Socke
Guest
Rescue software is used to retrieve files which have been deleted or files from media which have been formated, usualy due to user error.
A bit like "Ups, that was not the bottle with developer, that was the fixer"
A bit like "Ups, that was not the bottle with developer, that was the fixer"
Sparrow
Veteran
Thanks, Rick Waldroup and VinceC, impressed by both your contributions, they have helped put this debate into context for me at least, in a thoughtful and reasoned way without personalities becoming an issue, it’s a shame it has drifted off to the point where the issues you raised are lost in the background noise.
Thanks
Thanks
RJBender
RFF Sponsoring Member
copake_ham said:
... and why should we love him?
R.J.
amateriat
We're all light!
Bingo. Best of both worlds, and just the way I handle the matter.bmattock said:
I can deal with the occasional food fight here, and sometimes the resulting threads shed as much light as heat, if not more, but the ability to call it a draw at a given point is a sign of general civility. I avoid the film vs. digital issue myself because it's largely a "my mind is made up" thing for most people (including me, hence my self-recusal), and I've rarely seen an online "discussion" of the matter anywhere not devolve into a Bugs & Daffy verbal slugfest ("Rabbit Season!" "Duck Season!"). I have a decided preference of tools, but have no need to hammer them into broadsword and shield.
- Barrett
RJBender
RFF Sponsoring Member
amateriat said:
A good film scanner can give you a digital file much larger than any digital camera can.
R.J.
amateriat
We're all light!
The "analog" handle, as applied to film, has been a small peeve of mine, too, and seems somewhat pejorative in application.Brian Sweeney said:
That digital project sounds really interesting, too - thanks for the info.
- Barrett
RJBender
RFF Sponsoring Member
Brian Sweeney said:
Brian, Do you think Foveon technology is dead? I don't hear people raving about the Sigma SD10 like they used to.
R.J.
Fedzilla_Bob
man with cat
Brian Sweeney said:
Brian- would this be the megapixel project? If so, I saw an exhibit of the images here in San Diego.
Incredible resolution.
If I recall the device itself was larger and heavier than most view cameras. The images were well worth the technological effort.
Now, to get 50 megapixels into a smaller box...
Long Live Film.
George S.
How many is enough?
50 megapixel, 100 megapixel...all phooey! Everyone's all caught up in MP count.... What still amazes me is that the two rovers we have on Mars right now only use a 1 MP sensor! I would imagine though, the processing software would be out of our reach....
Bertram2
Gone elsewhere
Rick Waldroup said:
Rick,
this leads to the interesting economical backside of the forum, about which we speak very seldom here.
IMO all the frequent hints, that this is Jorge's site and that he can do whatever he wants do not touch the prob you and others talk about. That's simply trivial. OF COURSE a forum owner can do whatever he wants .
But the question is where do his decisions lead to, what effects do they have for the developing of the site ?
The members get this site for free, but nonetheless they are those who keep it alive , not the owner and not the mods only . A significantly shrinking membership would be simply the beginning of the economical end of the site, sooner or later,
or one would have to take a fee from the members, what would change the relationship between owner and members completely.
If those among the active members here , who are not contented for what reason ever, justified or not, weak minded or intelligent , friendly or unfriendly , if they ALL have to expect the same "eat it as it is or go elsewhere" as the only response then people WILL go elsewhere, some sooner, some later.
And if I understood you right this was the background of your remark.
And tho this process of a drying out the active membership will be slow at the beginning it will run later progressivly and bee soon over the point of no return, when the damnage to the image is done.
Regards
Bertram
P.S.:
To all those ,who now again will thank me for " having enlightened them" I say in advance: No prob folks, today I just felt generous enuff to let some who simply need it participate at my unlimited wisdom ! " 😎
"Thanks for enlightening us all " btw is not ironic , it is an ugly offense, because It says " Piss off, smarta**, and tell it your blind a deaf grandma !" Nonetheless it is frequently used here by some who prefer to shorten the discussion if it gets to exhausting for them, in away like "whatever you say , you are an a******* anyway!". Never ever I saw a reprimand by a mod tho, strange.
One of the mysteries here about what is considered as nice and peaceful at RFF.
FrankS
Registered User
Bertram, since this is the "completely different" forum and anything goes other than profanity, I'd like to tell you that this forum became very popular because of the way it was, Now, newcommers are trying to change it. I kind of resent that.
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this is directed at no one and at no thread in particular. it's a rambling stream of (un) consciousness...
i've been around enough internet forums to have recognized a few things.
people come & go.
people you like and people you can't stand.
there are always mean and nasty people around.
they don't always know they are mean & nasty.
some actually think & believe they are superior to all others on the net. in all ways.
they always believe they are right and often misunderstood.
they discount others easily.
i too resent those who come for a brief visit and try to change the nature of what is there.
i believe that people need to 'pay their dues' by answering the same old questions respectfully for a few months, at least.
by offering support in a positive manner before being short tempered or condescending to anyone.
by at least starting to recognize the other members here and know what they shoot and to have looked at their gallery and made a few comments.
i like differing opinions but i like them served gently and not shoved down my throat.
and i like when i can offer up a different opinion and have it too accepted.
the internet has enough gods, princes and overinflated egos, that's fine but just leave me alone.
i've been around enough internet forums to have recognized a few things.
people come & go.
people you like and people you can't stand.
there are always mean and nasty people around.
they don't always know they are mean & nasty.
some actually think & believe they are superior to all others on the net. in all ways.
they always believe they are right and often misunderstood.
they discount others easily.
i too resent those who come for a brief visit and try to change the nature of what is there.
i believe that people need to 'pay their dues' by answering the same old questions respectfully for a few months, at least.
by offering support in a positive manner before being short tempered or condescending to anyone.
by at least starting to recognize the other members here and know what they shoot and to have looked at their gallery and made a few comments.
i like differing opinions but i like them served gently and not shoved down my throat.
and i like when i can offer up a different opinion and have it too accepted.
the internet has enough gods, princes and overinflated egos, that's fine but just leave me alone.
VinceC
Veteran
Thanks for the reality check, Joe.
I'm not a hard-core contributor, but I do find myself checking in several times a day. And I was first drawn here a year ago by the friendliness and the genuine attempt to mix equipment lust with worthwhile photography.
I fear I am one of Brian's "analogue" offenders ... I think it's too good a word to be confined to oscillioscopes. It describes a recording method that directly captures the rise and fall of the intensity of the information being recorded without it being processed through an intermediary translation device. It very accurately conveys the sense the humans are hard-wired to quickly perceive relative changes in position and luminance ... digital car gauges and digital watches are difficult to comprehend in a quick glance. When computers were newer and I was more inquisitive, I opened up and edited computer files and software at the hexadecimal level. There was nothing at all visually intuitive about that -- not quite the same as peering through a developed film negative that accurately records the levels of focus and unfocused photon wave patterns to which it was briefly exposed.
Earlier in the thread, I'm also pretty sure it was JPL's website which described the Voyager imagery as analogue, essentially interlaced frames using television technology.
I'm not a hard-core contributor, but I do find myself checking in several times a day. And I was first drawn here a year ago by the friendliness and the genuine attempt to mix equipment lust with worthwhile photography.
I fear I am one of Brian's "analogue" offenders ... I think it's too good a word to be confined to oscillioscopes. It describes a recording method that directly captures the rise and fall of the intensity of the information being recorded without it being processed through an intermediary translation device. It very accurately conveys the sense the humans are hard-wired to quickly perceive relative changes in position and luminance ... digital car gauges and digital watches are difficult to comprehend in a quick glance. When computers were newer and I was more inquisitive, I opened up and edited computer files and software at the hexadecimal level. There was nothing at all visually intuitive about that -- not quite the same as peering through a developed film negative that accurately records the levels of focus and unfocused photon wave patterns to which it was briefly exposed.
Earlier in the thread, I'm also pretty sure it was JPL's website which described the Voyager imagery as analogue, essentially interlaced frames using television technology.
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VinceC
Veteran
888.555.1212
Actually, that's the way a lot of folks in European write their phone numbers.
Actually, that's the way a lot of folks in European write their phone numbers.
FrankS
Registered User
Brian, what camera did you buy 2 days ago?
BrianShaw
Well-known
Brian Sweeney said:
And what's up with the '+' that some folks insist on putting at the beginning of a phone number. +888.555.1212 Do they think it will keep someone from erroneously dialing a negative phone number?
Brian (the "other" BS)
p.s. Be careful you don't get lured into the 'analog' vs 'analogue' debate.
