FPjohn
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Is the Rollie in the ashland party scene of the new Gatsby film an anachronism? My understanding is they did not appear until 1929.
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Anachronistic Rollie in Gatsby?
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Sparrow
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... I don't think the novel is supposed to be anything but an allegory of the part class played in the early years of the american dream ... perhaps it was a visually metaphoric camera?
P. S. I expect the cars were as bad ... certainly the Redford version was all over the place ...
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
The iPhone 4 and 5 were seen with the privileged few a year or so they appeared for sale to the rest of the proletariat.
That may be one of the arguments put forward by the director. 😉
That may be one of the arguments put forward by the director. 😉
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
The story has allegorical years allegorically played-out.
Sparrow
Veteran
... but surly that would contradict one of the book's major themes ... that the elite are sustained more by status rather than material wealth?
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
Given that to most people an iPhone is a status symbol, I'd think the Apples to Braunschweigers comparison fits.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
The only "privileged few" who had an iPhone 4 and 5 prior to the release to the general public for sale were the engineers, marketing folks, and officers working at Apple Computer where the phones are developed. Their use of late prototype and early production units is part of the development and testing cycle, not a mark of status or rank.
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Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I'd still assume that someone with deep pockets would have access to something as esoterical as a not-a-Brownie-that's-not-in-production.
Looks like I have to make a few things clear that I had assumed were obvious:
- Knowledge of period (as in "time period") stuff is evidently overrated when making marketable Hollywood films.
- Easy explanations are easy to make with plausible factoids (if the Director is "confronted" with this, there'd be an explanation of sorts at best, a "who cares!?" at worst).
- The people who stuffed Gatsby's parties were there obviously because it was the Thing to do (hopefully the whole Status thing is self-explanatory)
- High-end, high-tech gadgets not available to the general public tend to gravitate towards those with magnetic wallets.
- Analogies and comparisons are not straight-forward, which is why teachers are usually needed to explain literature; as such, the movie being the product of many hands, has evidently had a few holes perforated by lack of Simon Cowell-ish control.
Looks like I have to make a few things clear that I had assumed were obvious:
- Knowledge of period (as in "time period") stuff is evidently overrated when making marketable Hollywood films.
- Easy explanations are easy to make with plausible factoids (if the Director is "confronted" with this, there'd be an explanation of sorts at best, a "who cares!?" at worst).
- The people who stuffed Gatsby's parties were there obviously because it was the Thing to do (hopefully the whole Status thing is self-explanatory)
- High-end, high-tech gadgets not available to the general public tend to gravitate towards those with magnetic wallets.
- Analogies and comparisons are not straight-forward, which is why teachers are usually needed to explain literature; as such, the movie being the product of many hands, has evidently had a few holes perforated by lack of Simon Cowell-ish control.
Sparrow
Veteran
... I'm always confused were allegory gives way to metaphor ... I was thinking of the gratuitous shirt tossing bit and the effect on the girl whose name escapes me at the moment ... in context and effect no amount possessions would compensate for his background
Godfrey
somewhat colored
LOL! Well, the Rolleiflex twin-lens reflex was invented about 1928 and first showed late in that year, and the book 'The Great Gatsby", was depicting wealthy Long Island in 1922 or thereabouts. I doubt that Francke & Heidecke were distributing pre-production units of the the Rolleiflex six years prior to its invention. ;-)
I doubt that the producers of the film spent a lot of time worrying about it. Blurrily defined as "The Great Gatsby" depicts the 1920s, a Rolleiflex is conceivable as "an exotic camera available towards the end of the period."
I really should get to the theater to see this film. I enjoyed reading the book many moons ago.
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Sparrow
Veteran
... come on Gabriel ... at least try to be a geek, eh?
Thankfully I can only reference the book, and even that was many years ago ... I recall being surprised how the old world concept of "old money" was present in 1920's US, but that could simply have been my preconceptions
Thankfully I can only reference the book, and even that was many years ago ... I recall being surprised how the old world concept of "old money" was present in 1920's US, but that could simply have been my preconceptions
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Given that the mental concept of the period is already completely spoiled by the Clayton version - where everything looks like distorted steampunk seventies - I doubt that they even bothered to be accurate.
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
Yes, I understand Gatsby drives a Duesenberg, which didn't come out until after 1922, when the book is set. And the car in question is a 1928.
Gabriel M.A.
My Red Dot Glows For You
I 'av recently 'erd se director sey on French TV in Cannes sat (and I paraphrase*) that it's meant to be in the 1930s. Which makes a lot of sense, like making a film about U2** and having The Joshua Tree set in the 1990s, and the band being from the Falkland Islands. Which is the essence of late 1970s through mid-1980s in an English-speaking island. Artistic license and good enough and all that.
Or perhaps it was a mistransleshon.
* which here means this is not an exact quote
** the rock band
Or perhaps it was a mistransleshon.
* which here means this is not an exact quote
** the rock band
daveleo
what?
I love creative, imaginative movie making. But at some point it should
be illegal or immoral to attach the title of a book to the movie.
I am prepping myself to see the movie tomorrow, but based on
what I've heard (my wife) and read in the reviews, I'm sure it will
sukk enormously whatever cars and cameras are there in the scenery.
I am rereading the book now to freshen up my credibility for the
upcoming party arguments about the movie.
True, I over-react, but the book is so wonderful!!
be illegal or immoral to attach the title of a book to the movie.
I am prepping myself to see the movie tomorrow, but based on
what I've heard (my wife) and read in the reviews, I'm sure it will
sukk enormously whatever cars and cameras are there in the scenery.
I am rereading the book now to freshen up my credibility for the
upcoming party arguments about the movie.
True, I over-react, but the book is so wonderful!!
Sparrow
Veteran
Well ... that's the French for you, can we get back to pedantry now?
Sean Moran
Established
... and some of the music was a tad anachronistic too.
All the best,
Seán in Tipperary.
All the best,
Seán in Tipperary.
Steve Bellayr
Veteran
Correct first Rollie appears in 1929. The Great Gatsby is published in 1925. That is a what is called a 'Film Flub'.
On the whole I've been underwhelmed by some of Mr Luhrmann's previous efforts but like others, may go to see this one on the big screen because I appreciate the novel. What I am certain of is that the still images captured on the set will be worth looking at, because some of them were captured by Mary Ellen Mark.
Cheers
Brett
Cheers
Brett
robert blu
quiet photographer
I read the book, many years ago. I saw the Redford's version of the film, again many years ago. I saw the new version of the film, yesterday night. Personally I prefer the first version, but not because it is better. Simply because it is more suited to people of my age, more "soft and slow", maybe more romantic. Not so sure' I'll check if I manage to find the dvd in order to see it again. IMO the new version, with Di Caprio is intended for today's public: quicker (as we are used by the tv advertising) with strong vivid colors (Velvia style 🙂), the same applies to the soundtrack (quick, strong and reach of effects). At the end it is an excellent product which coneys the feeling of those times, the way of living of this "rich" people. And yes, probably there are a few "poetic licenses".
robert
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