Any validity to this or is it a joke?
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we think it's a joke.
but we're waiting to see...
at cvug, some of the members living in japan have been looking through the papers and internet and can't find mention of it.
bob shell at cvug was the first to report it there.
i'd love for it to be true, maybe a new canon p in the works!!
joe
but we're waiting to see...
at cvug, some of the members living in japan have been looking through the papers and internet and can't find mention of it.
bob shell at cvug was the first to report it there.
i'd love for it to be true, maybe a new canon p in the works!!
joe
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Frank Granovski
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One thing I noticed on this fellow's site is that ALL of his cameras are NIKONS! 😀
Bryan Lee
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If its true do you think the prices of Canons will go up? 😀
bmattock
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back alley said:
"That" Bob Shell?
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
jlw
Rangefinder camera pedant
As reported on the other thread, I located the online English edition of Asahi Shimbun (http://www.asahi.com/english/) and used its search feature to search for "Leica." No hits.
This and the other failed confirmation attempts may not prove that the rumor is false (it's impossible in traditional rhetoric to prove a negatively-stated proposition) but do show that at this point, it can't be confirmed independently with broadly available information.
This is how the Bermuda Triangle stories got started: one author told some stories without saying where he got them, then some other authors repeated them based on what he said, and then others based on what they said, and pretty soon everybody figures they must be true because "there have been so many reports." Yet if you pick one of the stories and trace it back to its original author, then try to confirm it in primary-source materials that would have been available to him, you can't find anything.
This and the other failed confirmation attempts may not prove that the rumor is false (it's impossible in traditional rhetoric to prove a negatively-stated proposition) but do show that at this point, it can't be confirmed independently with broadly available information.
This is how the Bermuda Triangle stories got started: one author told some stories without saying where he got them, then some other authors repeated them based on what he said, and then others based on what they said, and pretty soon everybody figures they must be true because "there have been so many reports." Yet if you pick one of the stories and trace it back to its original author, then try to confirm it in primary-source materials that would have been available to him, you can't find anything.
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bmattock
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jlw said:
The reason I asked if the originator was "That Bob Shell" was because in the past, he has made statements about new product announcements that later turned out to be true. The most recent that I am aware of is the Zeiss Ikon rangefinder - he appeared to know before anyone else that it was based on the Cosina-Voigtlander Bessa. I suspect that he has a lot of connections in the industry who feed him information even now.
I'm not saying he's right - I don't even know if he issued the statement currently being attributed to him - I'm just saying that *if* it was issued by Bob Shell of bobshell.com and that's what he said, there might be some truth to it.
In any case, time will tell.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
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In math, a statement is aka a proposition- be it "positive" or "negative". Some proofs of a proposition start off by assuming a statement is false and attempt to prove the false form and arrive at a contradiction, thereby implying the original statement is true. Most can be proved or disproved, and it doesn't matter if it's "positive or "negative". Although this is an interesting theorem:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelsIncompletenessTheorem.html
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Rich Silfver
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I thought Bob was in jail until 2008.
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yes, it was 'that' bob shell.
he writes regularly on cvug.
joe
he writes regularly on cvug.
joe
bmattock
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Rich Silfver said:
Not that I'm aware of, Rich. Last I heard, the trial had not yet begun, although there have been some hearings and some evidence has been suppressed on defense motion as to admissibility. AFAIK, He's been at home under house arrest wearing an ankle bracelet. I have seen his name listed as contributing editor on a couple of digital photography magazines, although the ones he used to write for seem to be shunning him at the moment.
I did a quick Google search for "Bob Shell" and "Convicted" or "Prison" or "2008" and did not find anything like what you mentioned. Did you have any other information on that? I could be well wrong.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
bmattock
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back alley said:
Well, some of his announcements have indeed been scoops. We'll see, eh?
It is funny now to read back through the various PN postings about "according to Bob Shell" followed by "BS!" or "Pure lies!" or "He's a liar" or words to that effect, and then you read what the prediction was and it turned out to be completely true. Seems those naysayers never bother to apologize, though. And they keep coming back to throw rocks, even though they are wrong over and over and over. Funny in retrospect.
Best Regards,
Bill Mattocks
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i hope it's true.
it would be great to see a canon rangefinder again.
joe
it would be great to see a canon rangefinder again.
joe
Paul T.
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If it were true, and personally I think it might bea good thing, i suspect it would lead to more Leica-branded products, rather than Canon-branded.
As for Bob Shell, that information about the Ikon being based on the Bessa was a major red herring that now is seen to stink more than just a little. whether you like the Ikon, or not, it has a modified shutter from the same supplier as the VC and possibly a similar backdoor hinge, but otherwise there's no relationship between the cameras, bar the fact they originate on adjacent production lines.
As for Bob Shell, that information about the Ikon being based on the Bessa was a major red herring that now is seen to stink more than just a little. whether you like the Ikon, or not, it has a modified shutter from the same supplier as the VC and possibly a similar backdoor hinge, but otherwise there's no relationship between the cameras, bar the fact they originate on adjacent production lines.
jlw
Rangefinder camera pedant
It may be true or it may be not, but from whence came the information?
The blogger said it was published in Asahi Shimbun, which should be easily confirmable if true -- all it would take would be a publication date, edition, and page number. However, so far nobody has reported in as confirming it, and various people (including me) have reported negative results on searches.
So, even if the rumor turns out to be true, there's no evidence that it's based on something that was published in Asahi Shimbun, at least not at this stage.
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"Ah, but you mustn't tell us what she told you. It's not evidence."
-- The Lord Chancellor, Iolanthe, William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan
The blogger said it was published in Asahi Shimbun, which should be easily confirmable if true -- all it would take would be a publication date, edition, and page number. However, so far nobody has reported in as confirming it, and various people (including me) have reported negative results on searches.
So, even if the rumor turns out to be true, there's no evidence that it's based on something that was published in Asahi Shimbun, at least not at this stage.
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"Ah, but you mustn't tell us what she told you. It's not evidence."
-- The Lord Chancellor, Iolanthe, William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan
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Joel Matherson
"The reason I asked if the originator was "That Bob Shell" was because in the past, he has made statements about new product announcements that later turned out to be true. The most recent that I am aware of is the Zeiss Ikon rangefinder - he appeared to know before anyone else that it was based on the Cosina-Voigtlander Bessa."
But the thing is the Zeiss Ikon isnt based on a Bessa it just shares a similar copal shutter! I believe he also claimed that the original Bessa rangefinder was based on the CL's which was wrong too. The thing with his posts are that he often pretends to know things but claims he cant reveal what he knows due to privacy agreements. It all seems more him playing games than anything else. Why bother mentioning it in the first place if not to game play. Take what he says with a grain of salt, as with most things on the net I suppose.
But the thing is the Zeiss Ikon isnt based on a Bessa it just shares a similar copal shutter! I believe he also claimed that the original Bessa rangefinder was based on the CL's which was wrong too. The thing with his posts are that he often pretends to know things but claims he cant reveal what he knows due to privacy agreements. It all seems more him playing games than anything else. Why bother mentioning it in the first place if not to game play. Take what he says with a grain of salt, as with most things on the net I suppose.
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ray_g
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back alley said:
That WOULD be nice, Joe. However, if Canon made a rangefinder to the same quality as the P today, it would probably cost at least a couple of thousand dollars. 🙁
Like the Nikon/Zeiss rumors, and with the photography market today, we would more likely see Leica SLR lenses sporting the EOS mount. If at all, prices of Leica R mount lenses on the used market should come down.
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a man can dream, can't he?
and i would have to save the cash and buy that rangefinder.
joe
and i would have to save the cash and buy that rangefinder.
joe
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ray_g
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But it would be nice to have a relatively inexpensive, entry level M mount digital rangefinder - sort of like a Rebel RF.
raid
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Bob Shell was an excellent editor for Shutterbug magazine, but whatever happened changed many things around him for many people.
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