Godfrey
somewhat colored
Eh? It's marketing nonsense. Just ignore and relax.
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pepeguitarra
Well-known
Nothing beats Medium Format. 6x6. or 6x7, even 6x4.5
DanskDynamit
Well-known
David Hughes
David Hughes
If Otto Daimler was to build a horseless carriage today ... it would probably have fuel injection! lol
Oh dear! I thought it did have fuel injection as they followed steam practice. Carb's were invented later on as fuel injection was so unreliable then...
Sorry getting a bit pedantic.
Regards, David
David Hughes
David Hughes
Back on subject...
Back on subject...
If the usual BS in adverts annoys, then it helps to admire it as an art form, which it is. After all's said and done, it's difficult to write BS you can't be sued over and yet that gives a positive message.
Take "Some people etc... " and wonder who the people are; there only have to be a couple of them and one of them was probably someone overheard in a pub or on a forum...
My favourite entry in the BS Contest was "chocolate flavoured coating over a vanilla flavoured centre" and that left me wondering what it was that people would be eating.
Regards, David
Back on subject...
If the usual BS in adverts annoys, then it helps to admire it as an art form, which it is. After all's said and done, it's difficult to write BS you can't be sued over and yet that gives a positive message.
Take "Some people etc... " and wonder who the people are; there only have to be a couple of them and one of them was probably someone overheard in a pub or on a forum...
My favourite entry in the BS Contest was "chocolate flavoured coating over a vanilla flavoured centre" and that left me wondering what it was that people would be eating.
Regards, David
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
My philosopher wife tells me that this type of statement is called a "counterfactual conditional (since Barnack isn't alive today);" and that by the rules of logic any conclusion drawn from a CFC is true. She doesn't actually believe that, and neither do I; it is something logicians claim. So by that logic (if it is logic), "If Oskar Barnack were alive today, he would build an APS-C" has to be true, right along with, "If Oskar Barnack were alive today, he would drive a Chevrolet" or, . . . "he would be living in Chicago" (etc.)
But I think Barnack invented the Leica when he did, because it was time for the Leica to be invented, and Barnack was of that time. Just as, telephone was invented when it was, because it was the right time for it to be invented. Was Alex Bell the only person who could have invented it? No, Elisha Gray actually beat Bell to the patent office by 24 hours. Bell got the patent because he had documented his developmental work in his lab notebook, while Gray's documentation was not good enough. If Bell hadn't come along we would still have telephones and the phone company would be "Gray telephone" instead of Bell Telephone. Think that's not true? I remember there was a "Gray System" phone company in some places when I was a kid. I remember seeing their ad in a magazine.
So here's my point: things come along when they are ready to. If not Bell, then Gray; If not Barnack, then Zeiss, or someone, who knows; but someone would have come up with a 35mm still camera, probably within three months of Barnack's.
Oh, and if Oskar Barnack were alive today, he would be a financial analyst.
But I think Barnack invented the Leica when he did, because it was time for the Leica to be invented, and Barnack was of that time. Just as, telephone was invented when it was, because it was the right time for it to be invented. Was Alex Bell the only person who could have invented it? No, Elisha Gray actually beat Bell to the patent office by 24 hours. Bell got the patent because he had documented his developmental work in his lab notebook, while Gray's documentation was not good enough. If Bell hadn't come along we would still have telephones and the phone company would be "Gray telephone" instead of Bell Telephone. Think that's not true? I remember there was a "Gray System" phone company in some places when I was a kid. I remember seeing their ad in a magazine.
So here's my point: things come along when they are ready to. If not Bell, then Gray; If not Barnack, then Zeiss, or someone, who knows; but someone would have come up with a 35mm still camera, probably within three months of Barnack's.
Oh, and if Oskar Barnack were alive today, he would be a financial analyst.
As a fan of the APSC format, I don't think it is BS. The format is the best compromise (in digital) between lens size, body size, and image quality today IMO. FF is great, especially when you need to use legacy lenses. However, modern APSC is very, very good. Fuji has proven this best and now Leica is doing the same. Look at the Ricoh GR... it's a bit long in the tooth now, but it is tiny and delivered great quality... that is the modern barnack. If Ricoh updates that with a modern sensor... wow.
sebastel
coarse art umbrascriptor
who is Otto Daimler?
Larry Cloetta
Veteran
Yeah, that's certainly a more catchy lead in, sure to jump start the flagging interest of the camera buying public (which is the purpose of advertising).
I have no idea why Leica didn't use that to grab people's attention.
mdarnton
Well-known
I find people who originate posts to complain about unimportant things annoying.
css9450
Veteran
"They said a minivan couldn't be fun to drive..."
Same technique, no?
Same technique, no?
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Exactly and especially about GRII, which is still very capable. Gives a ride to Leica X series in IQ and compactness.
Compactness and less weight this is what was driving O. Barnack. It was exactly as GR. No build-in VF and very small. It grow later on to bigger one with build-in RF and VF. Just like X grown to CL.
Barnack used 135 instead MF format. He didn't went extreme, Minox like, even if it was much more effective for his personal reason.
Same is doing the Leica. No Yashica D, but trusted and very sufficient APSC.
So, would Barnack choose APSC now? Yes. But he would design it like GRII, I guess, not CL....
ptpdprinter
Veteran
If Barnack would use APS-C, then why didn't they stick with the M8? It would be interesting to look at the M9 advertising.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
M8 was not APS-C.
DrMcCoy
Member
Not to promote false equivalencies, but FTFY.
If Barnack were to design a camera today he would simply make the lightest possible interchangeable lens camera with a high quality sensor. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he'd be most interested in developing sensor and lens technology over producing cameras themselves since that's the main weight/quality limitation of modern photography.
ruby.monkey
Veteran
I reckon he'd have added a second control dial to the Olympus E-PM2 and then called it a day.
pepeguitarra
Well-known
Leica may not be off after all....
Leica may not be off after all....
"Before there was Pentax there was Asahiflex. Saburo Matsumoto, the founder of Asahi Kogaku, decided that he wanted to make cameras, but in a market already dominated by Nippon Kogaku (later Nikon) and Canon copies of Leica rangefinders, he decided that the SLR was the future of cameras. With only a couple of examples to draw design ideas from, he and a team of experts culled from pre-Konica Konishiroku came up with the Asahiflex after years of R & D. A breakthrough invention of his own was added in the Asahiflex II – the instant-return mirror, the first ever in an SLR." -- From Matt's Classical Cameras
Leica may not be off after all....
"Before there was Pentax there was Asahiflex. Saburo Matsumoto, the founder of Asahi Kogaku, decided that he wanted to make cameras, but in a market already dominated by Nippon Kogaku (later Nikon) and Canon copies of Leica rangefinders, he decided that the SLR was the future of cameras. With only a couple of examples to draw design ideas from, he and a team of experts culled from pre-Konica Konishiroku came up with the Asahiflex after years of R & D. A breakthrough invention of his own was added in the Asahiflex II – the instant-return mirror, the first ever in an SLR." -- From Matt's Classical Cameras
Godfrey
somewhat colored
Remember that the reason Oskar Barnack built a small camera based on cine film was to have a handy-sized strip-film exposure meter for cine work. The cine format was 18x24 mm on the 35mm film and the small camera proved to be an excellent exposure test base, but then he discovered that it proved a great handy camera for a new kind of photography. However, at the time, the 18x24mm format he deemed inadequately large to make good print enlargements up to 8x10, so he doubled the short edge and turned the camera on its side to make the standard 35mm 3:2 format.
If the films had been better at that time, or they were using decent digital capture sensors, he'd probably have stuck with the 18x24mm format for all of its characteristics that meant smaller, lighter, faster lenses.
So maybe what "some people say" is right on the money. Whomever those "people" might be.
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If the films had been better at that time, or they were using decent digital capture sensors, he'd probably have stuck with the 18x24mm format for all of its characteristics that meant smaller, lighter, faster lenses.
So maybe what "some people say" is right on the money. Whomever those "people" might be.
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ptpdprinter
Veteran
Certainly close enough for the point being made.
pagpow
Well-known
This would have us conclude that All the following statements are true;
If Barnack were to build a camera today, it would have the APS-C format"
If Barnack were to build a camera today, it would not have the APS-C format"
If Barnack were to build a camera today, it would have any format except the APS-C format"
If Barnack were to build a camera today, it would not be a camera"
I trust your wife's skepticism more than the statement regarding logicians' rules.
I would be more likely to agree with the assertion that "by the rules of logic any conclusion drawn from a CFC is equally true to any other conclusion drawn from a counterfactual conditional." than to agree with the notion that simply preceding any statement with a counterfactual conditional makes it true.
If that were correct, I would have an easier time with excused absences.