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what do you think of them?
are they preferable over converting colour to b&w in post?
are they preferable over converting colour to b&w in post?
greyelm
Malcolm
I use Silver Efex Pro after importing the raw files into Lightroom 3 but haven't tried the on-board black & white options myself.
If you shoot raw + jpg and set the jpg for B&W then you have the option of converting the colour raw file if you aren't happy with the jpg output.
I too would be interested in hearing others experiences of the B&W option.
If you shoot raw + jpg and set the jpg for B&W then you have the option of converting the colour raw file if you aren't happy with the jpg output.
I too would be interested in hearing others experiences of the B&W option.
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i normally shoot only raw but with the x100 i am shooting only jpeg...for now.
when wanting b&w i convert from colour and process in pse8.
i need to try the b&w modes...maybe this weekend i'll try them...i'm usually not much of an experimenter.
when wanting b&w i convert from colour and process in pse8.
i need to try the b&w modes...maybe this weekend i'll try them...i'm usually not much of an experimenter.
M4streetshooter
Tourist Thru Life
I shoot Raw, however...I set the film type to mono so that the screens show the image in B&W. The in camera processor does a very good job converting to jpeg.
The OOC B&W jpegs could be very nice if you set the settings up. Remember, there is no turning back unless you have a raw file.
I use LR3 & Silver Effex... It's as good as it gets.
I have also tried converting jpegs this way but don't like it at all...
The OOC B&W jpegs could be very nice if you set the settings up. Remember, there is no turning back unless you have a raw file.
I use LR3 & Silver Effex... It's as good as it gets.
I have also tried converting jpegs this way but don't like it at all...
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right now i am not in a position to buy lr3/silver efex...maybe when i calm down my c.c. aa bit...
Just use RAW and lightroom. There is nothing the in camera functions give you that cannot be matched in lightroom. If you don't have lightroom, then I see no harm in shooting RAW + B&W jpeg.
M4streetshooter
Tourist Thru Life
Agreed with that. The in camera processor is great.
Try processing a few images, you can do the same one with many varriations. Then check them out on the computer. After you find yourself... Just set the settings to what you discovered...
That's it....
KM-25
Well-known
I have used the black and white settings a few times, they work great. And like you, I am only shooting jpeg, I have Lightroom, CS5, Capture One Pro, etc and to be honest, I use them very little anymore preferring to get it right in camera and be done with it, even with my D700.
For example, in the past two months, I have shot about 25,000 digital images, only 1,800 were in raw and not because I wanted to feel safer, but had other things in mind like using CS5's Automerge feature which works far better in stitching raws than with jpegs that might have uneven exposure areas. My clients are totally happy with them and so am I.
Just shoot them in JPEG and in black and white, that way you can be free, concentrate on the most important part of photography, being out in the real world and be off of the awful life wasting computer as much as you can.
For example, in the past two months, I have shot about 25,000 digital images, only 1,800 were in raw and not because I wanted to feel safer, but had other things in mind like using CS5's Automerge feature which works far better in stitching raws than with jpegs that might have uneven exposure areas. My clients are totally happy with them and so am I.
Just shoot them in JPEG and in black and white, that way you can be free, concentrate on the most important part of photography, being out in the real world and be off of the awful life wasting computer as much as you can.
ferider
Veteran
That's about one picture every 4 minutes (for two months straight, including the nights). Pretty impressive !
gavinlg
Veteran
I'd usually be in the camp saying "just shoot raw!" but lately I've been doing a bit of jpeg b&w shooting with my dslr. Even with the near antique (haha) 5d, the in camera jpegs are quite good if you get the settings right and expose properly.
This whole series of fantastic stories was shot jpeg b&w with a 5d:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/1-in-8-million/index.html
...and I'm sure the x100 would do a better job than the 5d with jpeg processing!
This whole series of fantastic stories was shot jpeg b&w with a 5d:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/1-in-8-million/index.html
...and I'm sure the x100 would do a better job than the 5d with jpeg processing!
kuzano
Veteran
"Bring the Color Home!!"
"Bring the Color Home!!"
I had this discussion with a 40 year art history professor (friend) who is an accomplished large format film photographer. He finally purchased a digital DSLR a few years ago. He shot RAW from the beginning of his experience with digital and began to do considerable image editing in Photoshop.
We once had this discussion about B&W camera modes. His simple answer was, "why would you not bring the color home with the images". That was based on his own findings that he had more flexibility in B&W post processing from the color image, than all the years of using color filters on film.
I seriously doubt that there will be camera's that can reach the point of managing B&W images "in camera" better than post processing.
I do leave room for the fact that many may find the B&W modes preferable to post processing, even though not as flexible.
Simply good enough for Gummint Work as my pappy used to say.
"Bring the Color Home!!"
I had this discussion with a 40 year art history professor (friend) who is an accomplished large format film photographer. He finally purchased a digital DSLR a few years ago. He shot RAW from the beginning of his experience with digital and began to do considerable image editing in Photoshop.
We once had this discussion about B&W camera modes. His simple answer was, "why would you not bring the color home with the images". That was based on his own findings that he had more flexibility in B&W post processing from the color image, than all the years of using color filters on film.
I seriously doubt that there will be camera's that can reach the point of managing B&W images "in camera" better than post processing.
I do leave room for the fact that many may find the B&W modes preferable to post processing, even though not as flexible.
Simply good enough for Gummint Work as my pappy used to say.
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everyone...
it is a simple question...do you use the b&w modes and what do you think of them.
i know all about raw vs. jpeg etc....
i just want to know what people think of the incamera b&w modes...
it is a simple question...do you use the b&w modes and what do you think of them.
i know all about raw vs. jpeg etc....
i just want to know what people think of the incamera b&w modes...
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
JoeV
Thin Air, Bright Sun
No pictures? Anyone? Isn't a picture worth 1k words?
~Joe
~Joe
KM-25
Well-known
Simple answer, I like them which means I use them. I use the filter settings here and there depending on scene, but overall, it is up to you the photographer to employ them to your liking and decide if you the photographer like them. If I like what I see on the back of the camera, I go with it, I let the image and how I crafted it speak to me, not some brow beaten discussion on using raw or jpeg or not or a medical level inspection on tonal rendering.
If you are a good shooter, you will find what you like about them and what their limits are and how to actually exploit those limits.
Like it or not, all the talking, posting and opinion reading in the world is not going to convince you, it takes using the camera your self to reel in what makes it work for you...
If you are a good shooter, you will find what you like about them and what their limits are and how to actually exploit those limits.
Like it or not, all the talking, posting and opinion reading in the world is not going to convince you, it takes using the camera your self to reel in what makes it work for you...
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