Apple's attitude to photography ... 'Stop learning, we'll do the work for you!'

[Roger Hicks]

Just leave you all with something to chew on over the weekend>>>http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/23/photography-photography?CMP=twt_gu

Much the same was said of Kodaks in the 1890s, roll-film in the early 20th century, 35mm in the 1930s, auto-exposure, autofocus...

Cheers,

R.

 

[_lou_]

"You get a better dynamic range of color"
Enough said, this is just the usual bull****, and they mix all concepts. Apple is no different, in fact, worse than the average phone vendor.

 

[DominikDUK]

Well, it's reasonable that cameras which don't connect to the web and Facebook should command a premium...

Cheers,

R.

Thank you Roger truer words were never spoken.

Time is at a premium these days pure luxury, the facebook crowd (not all) requires instant gratification and instant results and are driven by this instant update thing. If you don't visit Facebook at least once every two days you'll get an email from them I absolutely hate that, so using a slow camera analogue or taking a lot of time with postprocessing or reviewing the images from my digi is my way to slow this instant gratification thing down and it feels damn good. As the saying goes speed kills and good thing take time.

 

[jsrockit]

Consumers have never wanted to learn photography...that is why there was the brownie, the instamatic, and the polaroid. The only difference today is that camera makers have figured out how to automate a lot more shutter speed / aperture / iso combinations for consumers, so now they can just point and shoot and get decent results in most situations.

 

[Michael Markey]

Thank you Roger truer words were never spoken.

Time is at a premium these days pure luxury, the facebook crowd (not all) requires instant gratification and instant results and are driven by this instant update thing. If you don't visit Facebook at least once every two days you'll get an email from them I absolutely hate that, so using a slow camera analogue or taking a lot of time with postprocessing or reviewing the images from my digi is my way to slow this instant gratification thing down and it feels damn good. As the saying goes speed kills and good thing take time.

Of course I was merely reporting the sentiment rather than endorsing it but you are correct ,speed is of the essence to that group of people.

It does make you wonder where this is all heading and I`m very thankful I`m not doing this for a living.
That sort of imperative must be nigh impossible to resist.

 

[css9450]

I think for me, the thing to remember is this: Don't listen to anything anyone says when they are trying to sell you something.

Such as, in the case of this thread, where they're trying to sell everyone who already owns an Iphone4 a brand-new Iphone 5.

 

[daveleo]

Consumers have never wanted to learn photography...that is why there was the brownie, the instamatic, and the polaroid . . . .

Two years ago a young friend said "I want to get into photography. Can you give me some tips?"

I said buy a cheap P&S and send me some pictures to comment on.

He bought a Canon DSLR and two lenses and sent me a few dozen baby pictures.

I tried to be as helpfully instructive as I could. He sent another set and we iterated a few times like that.

Next time I saw him he had sold the canon and bought a little P&S and said "You know really all I wanted to do was take nicer baby pictures."

We're still friends.

 

[TXForester]

1888 - George Eastman ... One of Kodak's first slogans:
"You press the button, we do the rest."

I had thought of that and decided it did not apply here. Kodak was saying you don't have to go through the hassle of processing the film and making prints. In Apple's case, they are telling people who know little of photography, that technology can take the place of knowledge needed to be creative and the work involved for a good result. The best their iphone can do, or any modern camera, is take a little load off of the technical aspect. Up to a point that is.

Apple is doing a diservice to the consumer by saying technology will make for part of a photograph that only the photographer can do.

 

[VF101]

I had thought of that and decided it did not apply here. Kodak was saying you don't have to go through the hassle of processing the film and making prints. In Apple's case, they are telling people who know little of photography, that technology can take the place of knowledge needed to be creative and the work involved for a good result.

I bet a lot of pro photogs then said about Kodak: You have to master film processing to understand the technology that's involved to get good results.

 

[pete hogan]

Photography does not lend itself well to generalizations.

 

[DougK]

Here's an interesting article from TechCrunch written by a former photographer: http://m.techcrunch.com/2013/09/12/a-photographers-take-on-the-iphone-5s-camera/?icid=tc__art&

 

[Roger Hicks]

Photography does not lend itself well to generalizations.

Dear Pete,

Of course, your comment isn't a generalization...

(Sorry to be so plonkingly obvious but I'm sure that there will be those who would otherwise have missed your point).

Cheers,

R.

 

[shadowfox]

Photography does not lend itself well to generalizations.

That's a good one!!

 

[noisycheese]

Ooo, does the iPhone 5S come with a new iImproveContent app? 🙄

I can't wait till they release the iPhone 144S - it will actually go out and make photos for you while you sit on your ass at home! 😎

 

[maggieo]

Not gonna lie, the iphone is a better quality camera than pretty much any small sensor point and shoot. It has gotten to the point where for small prints its just as good as a proper camera in most conditions.

Yep and anything that improves it is good news to me.

 

[FrankS]

At this point (anyway), my iPhone 4S completely satisfies my digital needs.

 

[Al Patterson]

I had thought of that and decided it did not apply here. Kodak was saying you don't have to go through the hassle of processing the film and making prints. In Apple's case, they are telling people who know little of photography, that technology can take the place of knowledge needed to be creative and the work involved for a good result. The best their iphone can do, or any modern camera, is take a little load off of the technical aspect. Up to a point that is.

Apple is doing a diservice to the consumer by saying technology will make for part of a photograph that only the photographer can do.

So, if Just keep waving my iPhone around, it will decide when to press the button on its own?

I doubt it. Just marketing bull puckey for Apple fanbois...

 

[Leica0Series]

Enjoying reading all this on my iPhone 4. Which I'm about to upgrade to a 5s. The point about these phone cams, for me, is the control you can have using various apps, not necessarily the quality of the built-in camera itself (although if that is improved, then great).

 

[pete hogan]

Dear Pete,

Of course, your comment isn't a generalization...

(Sorry to be so plonkingly obvious but I'm sure that there will be those who would otherwise have missed your point).

Cheers,

R.

That's right, Roger, even my generalization will fail! Predictions in photography are pretty tough.

 

[charjohncarter]

So some irreflective, fatuous, nitwit at Apple is now in charge of dumbing us down.