Automatic or manual winder on next digital RF?

Automatic or manual winder on next digital RF?

  • Manual winder

    Votes: 51 68.0%

  • Automatic winder

    Votes: 24 32.0%
  • Total voters
    75
sepiareverb said:
Thus far in the poll, it is 2/3 in favor of manual wind. A better majority than any recent US election 😀 Why not manual shutter cocking? Simple, effective, quiet. RF cameras are prized for their lenses and their quiet operation- why abandon half of this? Because an SLR is completely motor driven? When I test drove the M8 what was the first thing I thought of? How much quieter the camera would be if there was manual shutter cocking- and I was working in the woods- no people to sneak up on.
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With one faction calling for the return of the rewind lever and another for autofocus, I'm sure the wastepaper baskets in Solms are filling up...😉
 
You should be able to order it one way or the other. I decide when my shutter gets cocked. I can't imagine doing it (or it being done by itself) right after I shot the person next to me 🙂
 
Something different

Something different

In another M8 thread a member suggested a manual frame advance lever, that would energize a generator, that could eliminate the battery. That sounds way cool to me. The technology is about 15 years old. It can be found in battery - less digital locks.
 
POINT OF VIEW said:
In another M8 thread a member suggested a manual frame advance lever, that would energize a generator, that could eliminate the battery. That sounds way cool to me. The technology is about 15 years old. It can be found in battery - less digital locks.
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I doubt whether this is realistic. The amount of energy you can produce with the winder, is not nearly enough to run the display, processor etc. Also, you can not "eliminate the battery", you would merely ADD an electro magnet to charge the battery, which would take up even more space.
 
macmx said:
I doubt whether this is realistic. The amount of energy you can produce with the winder, is not nearly enough to run the display, processor etc. Also, you can not "eliminate the battery", you would merely ADD an electro magnet to charge the battery, which would take up even more space.
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Well see, you'd have to put a clutch on the thing so you could crank it without cocking the shutter. That way you could charge the batteries by winding repeatedly.
Heck, maybe you could just put a crank on it that looks like the attached.
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I think I'd like the option of delaying the shutter cocking, if the noise would be intrusive at the time of releasing the shutter. Obviously, manual shutter cocking can be done at a time of one's choosing, but a motorized cocking could be delayed too if there were a mode for that.
 
Manual winding is the way to go. Manual winding makes the photographer think and hence the photographs better. A simple manual crank is too easy, however, and only encourages hasty photography. Make it so that it has to be attached before each frame and then detached after each frame. Sort of like starting a biplane from the 1920's -- you don't leave the crank on when in flight. The crank can be stored in the baseplate when not in use. 😛😉
 
Tuolumne said:
I love my RD-1. I never forget to wind any camera. I vote for manual wind. It's just soooo satisfying.

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indeed, it is the way to go. What it does matter if it is not "modern". The whole RF thing is considered to be retro, old fashioned so let us put more "old things" 🙂. With manual winding you get more battery energy and silence. it is much important for me.
 
i love using my rd1 for the manual winding and how quiet it is. i love the picture quality (except for high iso) on my m8. i hide my screen with my Luigi case. i would love for 'the next rf' camera to have a manual winder.
 
louisb said:
Definitely automatic. As a former owner of an R-D1 before the M8, the one almost palpable burden that I was released from with the M8 was forgetting to wind on. I can't tell you the number of shots I missed because I had forgotten to wind on with the R-D1. If you are desperate for a manual wind get an R-D1 and fine camera that it is you'll soon find yourself yearning for a M8.

LouisB
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I rewind straight after any shot when using the RD-1, like an automatism. It is now very seldom that I miss a shot because of forgetting to rewind. It does happen, but I miss more shots because of the power down than the rewind.
 
I like the way a Konica Hexar AF works in the silent mode. After taking a picture no film-advance is executed unless you release the trigger. In a quiet environment you can take the picture and you just hava to wait for some environment noise. Then you release the trigger and the film is advanced by the motor.
 
I think I like the idea of manual winding but then I remember when I shot Nikon film cameras I always put a motor drive on them . . . so maybe I didn't like manual winding all that much after all.
 
Doable

Doable

macmx said:
I doubt whether this is realistic. The amount of energy you can produce with the winder, is not nearly enough to run the display, processor etc. Also, you can not "eliminate the battery", you would merely ADD an electro magnet to charge the battery, which would take up even more space.
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The footprint for the Xo9 combination lock is 4in. x 1in. The generator is 2mm. The lock does not have any battery, that was a government requirement, for design. One extended crank would be more than enough to charge a 80 uf. capacitor, that is enough current to power a stun gun. A two crank lever would be enough current for all the M8 requirements. Removing the battery would leave a 4x5 mm. space. That is enough for a large generator + capacitor. This is doable. Bill
 
How about that when you release the trigger it cocks the shutter? This way you could just hold the button down for as long as you don't want that extra noise. In continous shooting mode this would of course be disabled. It doesn't save up the battery, but maybe it can be quieter.

I'm not sure on wheter to vote for auto or manual, but generally I feel that a rangefinder should have more mechanical and less electronic components.
 
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