Automatic or manual winder on next digital RF?

[macmx]

The footprint for the Xo9 combination lock is 4in. x 1in. The generator is 2mm. The lock does not have any battery, that was a government requirement, for design. One extended crank would be more than enough to charge a 80 uf. capacitor, that is enough current to power a stun gun. A two crank lever would be enough current for all the M8 requirements. Removing the battery would leave a 4x5 mm. space. That is enough for a large generator + capacitor. This is doable. Bill

Either way you'd have to crank more than once, and you will have to do without a display. I don't know how long camera needs to capture and store a RAW images, but I imagine you'd need a battery. I don't know how fast the ISO settings are set and whether this requires more than a single discharge?

 

[tomasis]

leicasniper, notice many electronic devices shrinks for lower energy consumption (global warming you know). Say CPU are producing at 45nm now, LCD is getting be replaced by OLED or something else. It means thinner, more energy effective. The list of new improvements doesnt end.

How about solar stuffs? 🙂 I think shutter advance can provide enough of energy many years later when small electronic stuffs produce much less energy. Now I remember laptops which sells to schools of poorer countries. You have to use energy generator in the laptop to be able to use 🙂

It is not long time away until we dont depend on charging batteries such often as today 😉

 

[jaapv]

At least this poll shows the proportion of die-hard traditionalists on this forum 😛

 

[tomasis]

jappv, you know some here love film 🙂 Nothing can replace B&W yet.

 

[jaapv]

Agreed, but only if you process and enlarge yourself. No scanning!

 

[HuubL]

I forget to zip my fly from time to time as well, we all forget things. Something that would make the camera quieter and less battery dependent would be great.

I only forget to zip my fly when there's two buttons I have to close first instaed of the usual one 😉. Now, what that has to do with manual shutter cocking, I don't know... 🙂

 

[tomasis]

Agreed, but only if you process and enlarge yourself. No scanning!

Sure all way to the final picture 🙂 My film scanner is half broken and you see not even image, lol. Still great as preview (contact copy 😉 or contrast experiment)

now to the topic.

I imagine after 10 years when we are tired "modern" stuffs, I'd expect (or wish for) digital MP (M8 looks kinda of complement to M7, modern as possible but for MP you have go for much retro as possible)

Digital MP features:
-manual winder, no LCD, only add ISO change dial (like Rd1), no other buttons. Of course a very small oled for battery and number of shots info (aka m8). All other will resemble for analog MP. I just thought one can always set settings for camera when you connect camera to the computer. Convenient 🙂

I think we can live without LCD when DR (dynamic range is improved tens time than now. I really misuse the ability to look at LCD of RD1 after some shots (to check exposures) and already lose attention to surroundings. You dont get easily distracted with analog cameras. Sometimes I check how much is left of the roll. Thats all.

What can beat feeling when you finished roll by shooting, come home and waiting when pictures are finished when you dont know what it can happen. Sure I can do same thing with Rd1. I will try when I get handheld meter soon so maybe I will glue the closed "door" *lol*

Great thing with Rd1 that it is completely flat when you close door. I wish same for M8 which looks not pleasant to held. Thats why I dream about digital MP to held on flat surface of the back, covered with vulcanite 🙂

 

[user237428934]

Digital MP features:
-manual winder, no LCD, only add ISO change dial (like Rd1), no other buttons. Of course a very small oled for battery and number of shots info (aka m8). All other will resemble for analog MP. I just thought one can always set settings for camera when you connect camera to the computer. Convenient 🙂

I think we can live without LCD when DR (dynamic range is improved tens time than now. I really misuse the ability to look at LCD of RD1 after some shots (to check exposures) and already lose attention to surroundings. You dont get easily distracted with analog cameras. Sometimes I check how much is left of the roll. Thats all.

Uh. Ouch. I assume you are one of 100 persons worldwide that want a digital camera without a display. So why should any firm invest money in such a small group?

 

[Roger Hicks]

OK: here is the Party Line, from Leica (conversations at Arles earlier this month).

Leica seriously considered manual shutter cocking, but assembly costs for manual cocking are much higher, and the difficulty of fitting the manual lever in is disproportionate.

As for a trigger baseplate (or clockwork MOOLY-lookalike) to generate electricity, apparently there's just too much triggering/winding involved to charge the kind of very high-energy-density battery used in any modern digicam. Your finger would get tired with a trigger, and you'd need to wind the spring too often with a MOOLY.

Likewise, to my surprise, a baseplate holding AA batteries is not feasible -- though I didn't push them on this, and it may be that it is not feasible with all types of AA, only with some. I had suggested both this and the MOOLY/SCNOO approach.

Cheers,

R.

 

[yanidel]

While I like the winder on the RD1 and find it usueful to delay rewind noise or slow down picture taking, I do not understand any claims for not having a LCD.
This is the 21st century ... come on, TV are now in color, cell phones can show your correspondant ... why would we not put a LCD on a digital camera ?😉
Nostalgia of the past is definitely not an argument for the younger generations, so I really do not see what besides that could justifiy not putting a LCD ?