B&H settles EEOC bias lawsuit for $4.3 million.

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What is this about? If you don't like it, you can always switch channels.

Respectfully,
RLouzan

yes. we are here to talk photography and not moralize over hiring policies.[/quote]
 
rlouzan said:
What is this about? If you don't like it, you can always switch channels.

Respectfully,
RLouzan

yes. we are here to talk photography and not moralize over hiring policies.
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Read my first sentence! WORTHLESS!!.....what this thread is about. Your right it's not at all about taking photos. Just a good topic for the G man! I'm gone have fun!
 
Vic said:
Allow me to add my $0.02 to this thesis on Orthodox Jewish business practices in New York.

(1) Whatever happened to the notion of forgiveness and reconciliation, exemplified by Nelson Mandela? Boycotting B&H is like shutting the barn door after the horse has run off. More swagger than substance, as are most internet forum postings. OK, so B&H made an error of judgment, for which it is paying a price, and this history will forever be on the internet. A lot of people there are very decent, and should not be painted with a broad brush.
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B&H will have to do quite a bit to avoid "forever paying the price." And they probably should take some immediate action to let their customers know that the problem is not systemic. Maybe the next time I call in to ask a question I'll hear the voice of Juanita or Jose, or maybe they'll post some pics on their website of a more multicultural workplace (some quick PR and action is needed).

Vic said:
(2) Do all the self-righteous "we'll never do business with B&H or their ilk" gentlemen stop for a moment and think whether they buy goods that are made in China, that paragon of good business practices, with human rights for all; do they stop to think that the diamond on their wife's ring finger was a conflict-free diamond, or just something they got at a good price, and probably a blood diamond; etc. These places are a million times worse than anything at B&H or any other business in the US.
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I make an effort to purchase in the best manner that I can, and I will look elsewhere first before buying from B&H. Doesn't mean I won't buy from them, but if I can I will buy elsewhere from now on. And I will recommend that others who ask me do the same. Call that self-righteous if you want, but until I see something from B&H that shows me otherwise, that's my position. Anyway, that's how I'll use what little buying power I have.

Vic said:
(3) These business practices are nothing more than witchhunts for careerists at EEOC (this department should be shut down). If a company doesn't want to hire particular races, let them do so, and word will get out and business will go elsewhere. When I graduated from business school, companies like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and so on, did not even consider interviewing Jews or other ethnicities. Most of their employees had roman numeral after their names. Drexel Burnham Lambert was one of the first institutions to hire Asians.

The world has changed since then.
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Apparently not at B&H.





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Roger Hicks said:
Not sure about that. Look at when it ended, where. You could be right, and it's an intriguing argument; but there was an enormous moral component too.

Tashi delek,

R.
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It was almost entirely moral, mostly driven by religious leaders. The anti-slavery movement was founded by a British minister (a methodist if I remember correctly), and it was the efforts of his group that led to the British government banning the international slave trade. The British didn't just prohibit their citizens from engaging in slave trading, the Royal Navy actively patrolled the coasts of Africa and and stopped slave ships from other countries as well. Sierra Leone was founded by the British as a place for slaves the Royal Navy liberated in this way.

In the USA, religious leaders and former slaves (Frederick Douglass, for example) led a moral crusade against slavery. Those who made money from slavery fought tooth and nail against it (see the US Civil War) and only gave up slavery after being defeated militarily. Capitalism had nothing to do with ending slavery. Indeed, slavery expanded capitalism by allowing more efficient production of crops like cotton, sugar and tobacco.
 
I guess he is another highly satisfied customer:eek:!

Read my first sentence! WORTHLESS!!.....what this thread is about. Your right it's not at all about taking photos. Just a good topic for the G man! I'm gone have fun![/quote]
 
Chriscrawfordphoto said:
It was almost entirely moral, mostly driven by religious leaders..... Indeed, slavery expanded capitalism by allowing more efficient production of crops like cotton, sugar and tobacco.
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Shhh, keep it to yourself Chris. Don't you know you're an ignorant, naive child? There's no such thing as conscience?

Love,

-Someone Who Read Nietzsche to Be Cool But Didn't Really Get It
 
I personally think that a private company should be able to hire and fire anyone they want, without interference by the government.

Government employment, and companies that are now nationalized, such as the banks, should not be able to do so.

B&H may well have decided to pay just to make the lawsuit go away. Defending it, even if the charges were phony, might have cost several times the settlement fee. The Government has far too much power to prosecute, and they can ruin you in short order once they set you in their sights.

Since the FED is now buying Treasuries with freshly printed fake money, since we're conducting several expensive wars, and since Government employees have a voracious need of your money for several generations to come, they have to steal money from productive enterprises any way they can.

This B&H nonsense is a laughable drop in the bucket compared to the systemic looting of the public going on right now to prop up failed banks and businesses and pay off the hordes of incompetents.

Do not believe in the legitimacy of ANYTHING the gubmint does. They are acting in the interest of sustaining their hydra headed behemoth. NOTHING is being done in YOUR interest.

You ain't seen nothing yet. Sit tight a year or two.

* A lot of the hostility posted here about B&H is sheer, veiled anti-semitism.
 
gb hill said:
and one more thing! The next time you go in B&H to buy that new camera be sure you check to see if there is a star with a K in the middle or a U. You may be paying a jewish kosher tax on it.:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N5-SpfYXYs
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<-- Even this semi-legal "Latino" (though I don't speak Latin) can see through the so called "Jewish Tax" hype; what a load of bullsheet.
 
Maybe there should be laws about what races or religions you should marry and what ethnic foods you should be required to eat.

What a person does with his private business is his business. Should a Halal slaughterhouse be forced to hire Jews?

Let's not extrapolate into illness or pregnancy.

Hmmmm.....I suppose all large Tibetan restaurants should be required to hire a large quota of ethnic Han Chinese cooks.

Tashi Delek to you.

High horse moralism is a slippery slope.



Roger Hicks said:
Really? No Blacks? No Irish? No women? No gays? Fire someone because they're sick, or pregnant, or convert to a different religion?

Tashi delek,

Roger
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Chriscrawfordphoto said:
It was almost entirely moral, mostly driven by religious leaders. The anti-slavery movement was founded by a British minister (a methodist if I remember correctly), and it was the efforts of his group that led to the British government banning the international slave trade. The British didn't just prohibit their citizens from engaging in slave trading, the Royal Navy actively patrolled the coasts of Africa and and stopped slave ships from other countries as well. Sierra Leone was founded by the British as a place for slaves the Royal Navy liberated in this way.

In the USA, religious leaders and former slaves (Frederick Douglass, for example) led a moral crusade against slavery. Those who made money from slavery fought tooth and nail against it (see the US Civil War) and only gave up slavery after being defeated militarily. Capitalism had nothing to do with ending slavery. Indeed, slavery expanded capitalism by allowing more efficient production of crops like cotton, sugar and tobacco.
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WAKE UP! conditions of the working class in Britain 18th and 17th century was FAR worse than slavery!
a working class was actually CHEAPER than maintaining slaves.
a working class means no responsability over your workers. no housing. pay a salary and let them sort it out.
next you have a crusade turning a a capitalist/ economic math into a moral issue.
read Karl Marx, the german idiology, and you will get the picture.
american puritanism clouds your vision.
check Lewis Hines pictures for working class conditions and tell us about a moral crusade.
 
Ahmed Poltroon said:
I personally think that a private company should be able to hire and fire anyone they want, without interference by the government.

Government employment, and companies that are now nationalized, such as the banks, should not be able to do so.

B&H may well have decided to pay just to make the lawsuit go away. Defending it, even if the charges were phony, might have cost several times the settlement fee. The Government has far too much power to prosecute, and they can ruin you in short order once they set you in their sights.

Since the FED is now buying Treasuries with freshly printed fake money, since we're conducting several expensive wars, and since Government employees have a voracious need of your money for several generations to come, they have to steal money from productive enterprises any way they can.

This B&H nonsense is a laughable drop in the bucket compared to the systemic looting of the public going on right now to prop up failed banks and businesses and pay off the hordes of incompetents.

Do not believe in the legitimacy of ANYTHING the gubmint does. They are acting in the interest of sustaining their hydra headed behemoth. NOTHING is being done in YOUR interest.

You ain't seen nothing yet. Sit tight a year or two.

* A lot of the hostility posted here about B&H is sheer, veiled anti-semitism.
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good post!!
 
climbing_vine said:
Spare me the glib conceits. Whatever the motivation and politics surrounding emancipation (which is quite a diverse story itself), people "voting with their dollars" did not make the difference. That is the point.
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freedom is not a vote. freedom is in the barrel of a gun... mao tse tung.

spare me naive puritan rhetoric.
 
colker said:
WAKE UP! conditions of the working class in Britain 18th and 17th century was FAR worse than slavery!
a working class was actually CHEAPER than maintaining slaves.
a working class means no responsability over your workers. no housing. pay a salary and let them sort it out.
next you have a crusade turning a a capitalist/ economic math into a moral issue.
read Karl Marx, the german idiology, and you will get the picture.
american puritanism clouds your vision.
check Lewis Hines pictures for working class conditions and tell us about a moral crusade.
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So, because unchecked "capitalists" (really fascists) can get away with conditions that, in some cases are even worse than slavery (although they weren't theoretically allowed to steal their workers' children and rape them, so the comparison is somewhat facile and sophomoric).... but because of this, the lesson is that capitalism cured slavery and morals are an illusion?

Indeed.
 
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