David Hughes
David Hughes
Thanks, it's one of my favourites although not used as much as it should be these days.
Regards, David
Be gentle!: 4 NOOKY questions
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Thanks, it's one of my favourites although not used as much as it should be these days.
Regards, David
mobius981
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So. Raising bar. Or doubling down, depending on how you look at it. I AM a bit of a brat. Question: Using the NOOKY on my 50mm/f=3.5 Elmar, can I get even closer with the ELPIK/ELPRO/ ELPED (the Vorsatzlinses)? So many variations, so little time. Also, I recently purchased a gorgeous BELUN, totally mint...I do have a FINOT to add to the contraption.
Please let me know if this might be overkill before I waste a bunch of film...
Please let me know if this might be overkill before I waste a bunch of film...
mobius981
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Well, you should. It could open up a whole new world for you! :angel: called Early-Macro 😀
Right. I just made that up.
David Hughes
David Hughes
So. Raising bar. Or doubling down, depending on how you look at it. I AM a bit of a brat. Question: Using the NOOKY on my 50mm/f=3.5 Elmar, can I get even closer with the ELPIK/ELPRO/ ELPED (the Vorsatzlinses)? So many variations, so little time. Also, I recently purchased a gorgeous BELUN, totally mint...I do have a FINOT to add to the contraption.
Please let me know if this might be overkill before I waste a bunch of film...
Hi,
Overkill? You're only scratching the surface.
I think the best advice is to get hold of a copy of Leitz's "First Principles for Leica Users" and study it carefully. The November 1935 edition is the one to go for, then get original copies of the instructions for all the bits and pieces you've got.
Then you'll need the exposure tables on the little card to go in the back of the ERC and the Leitz import tax and duty paid card for the camera and so on...
It's fun isn't it? ;-)
Regards, David
PS Seriously, I find the smaller items the hardest to find and the things that were free when the cameras were new are the hardest of all to find.
PPS The ELPIK, ELPRO and ELPET (not ELPED) will take you in three steps to about 10½" and I guess that's from the film plane but may not be. The Nooky goes to 44cm from the film plane. So the ELPET ought to be first on the list as it gets the closest. The Elpik covers a little more than the NOOKY but only a couple of inches, and assuming it's measured from the film plane. I've none of the lenses and can't really comment. Getting the focus right and exposure will mean a lot of bracketing and film wasted...
As for the FINOT, finding one without the word Leitz worn off the button and the adapter missing will be fun, fun, fun and frustration. There's a lot of true and false shutter guard adapters out there and I've no idea which is right.
mobius981
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ROFL! You slay me!!! Love the import card~that is CLASSIC!!
Glad to know I am only on the surface of things, I like a focus that will challenge me for years to come! And that would be Leica. In all its amazing variety and arcanity (is that a word? I think it is...).
However, I do have my serious moments, looking at Hove Guides on pdf right now...good reference! And Erwin Puts...quite dense. Remarkable! Thanks for the guidance!
Glad to know I am only on the surface of things, I like a focus that will challenge me for years to come! And that would be Leica. In all its amazing variety and arcanity (is that a word? I think it is...).
However, I do have my serious moments, looking at Hove Guides on pdf right now...good reference! And Erwin Puts...quite dense. Remarkable! Thanks for the guidance!
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
The Hove Guides are even better in the flesh and are always turning up on ebay for pennies...
Hove Foto's also published reprints of the instruction manuals, catalogues from the 30's onwards and various other guides to convert, f'instance, the 1930's code names for parts etc into 1960's parts numbers.
Leitz published catalogues that you can easily find on ebay. They published fat little books for dealers and pretty little leaflets for the public. The little leaflets are the hardest to find.
The clean one is, surprise, the reprint. All worth finding and having.
Have fun, David
The Hove Guides are even better in the flesh and are always turning up on ebay for pennies...
Hove Foto's also published reprints of the instruction manuals, catalogues from the 30's onwards and various other guides to convert, f'instance, the 1930's code names for parts etc into 1960's parts numbers.
Leitz published catalogues that you can easily find on ebay. They published fat little books for dealers and pretty little leaflets for the public. The little leaflets are the hardest to find.
The clean one is, surprise, the reprint. All worth finding and having.
Have fun, David
Dralowid
Michael
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
The last one looks like "Hints for the use of Leitz Leica Camera" which I've not yet found in a charity shop or even ebay.
Regards, David
The last one looks like "Hints for the use of Leitz Leica Camera" which I've not yet found in a charity shop or even ebay.
Regards, David
Dralowid
Michael
Perhaps one of us should start a 'literature' thread and see what comes up...
Muggins
Junk magnet
David Hughes
David Hughes
Try here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152902
but hurry, too much NOOKY can make you go blind...
Regards, David
PS Try "Leica Literature" by James Lager for a start; it's a nice fat book (512 pages) filled with copies in B&W of mostly New York Leitz stuff and some in German. Published by Morgan and Morgan in 1980. It's more fun collecting the originals...
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152902
but hurry, too much NOOKY can make you go blind...
Regards, David
PS Try "Leica Literature" by James Lager for a start; it's a nice fat book (512 pages) filled with copies in B&W of mostly New York Leitz stuff and some in German. Published by Morgan and Morgan in 1980. It's more fun collecting the originals...
fer_fdi
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As far as I know:
NOOKY for Elmar 5cm
NOOKY-HESUM for Summitar, Summar and Hektor 5cm (hence the second part of the name)
SOOKY and friends:
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/SOMKY
fer_fdi
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BTW, is there any table to know the new focus distance from an added extension?
For instance, adding 1cm extension to a 50mm lens which has a nominal closer focus distance of 1 meter, will result in a new minimum focusing distance of x
I ask because I have ltm extension rings that I'd like to use (I guess I can't use SOOKY on a CLE and my brother's Leica II need repairs)
Just knowing the new focusing distance would be great,
but a distances table would be great too (or calculator)
For instance, adding 1cm extension to a 50mm lens which has a nominal closer focus distance of 1 meter, will result in a new minimum focusing distance of x
I ask because I have ltm extension rings that I'd like to use (I guess I can't use SOOKY on a CLE and my brother's Leica II need repairs)
Just knowing the new focusing distance would be great,
but a distances table would be great too (or calculator)
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
There's several pages about it in Fritz Vith's "Leica Handbook" but, alas, thanks to recent Windows drivers problems my flat bed scanner was binned.
Also the little Leitz booklet "Lens Tables to Use with the Leica Camera".
A lot more info (exposure etc) appears in Karl Barlebeb's "The Leica Data Book" and I'm sorry I can't help more.
Regards, David
There's several pages about it in Fritz Vith's "Leica Handbook" but, alas, thanks to recent Windows drivers problems my flat bed scanner was binned.
Also the little Leitz booklet "Lens Tables to Use with the Leica Camera".
A lot more info (exposure etc) appears in Karl Barlebeb's "The Leica Data Book" and I'm sorry I can't help more.
Regards, David
fer_fdi
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Thanks a lot David.
I don't have any of the books and can't get them right now but I take good note.
I don't have any of the books and can't get them right now but I take good note.
David Hughes
David Hughes
Hi,
It's one thing to suggest titles and then another to wonder how you'll get them. Worse still I suggested three...
The one I'd chase after in your shoes is Karl Barleben's data book; he published it in 1933 and it was reprinted in 1933 and again in 1934. That's the one I have. In a nutshell he had a loose leaf binder of useful facts and figures he'd copied, acquired and so on and thought it might be a good idea to publish it for others. In the introduction he says that's he's not really an author but a compiler. He's very good at it in my opinion.
It looks like this:
and this is typical of the data in it:
And you get 80 pages of it and a card cover but that includes several pages of fascinating 1930's advert's.
I'll wish you luck with the book hunt.
Regards, David
It's one thing to suggest titles and then another to wonder how you'll get them. Worse still I suggested three...
The one I'd chase after in your shoes is Karl Barleben's data book; he published it in 1933 and it was reprinted in 1933 and again in 1934. That's the one I have. In a nutshell he had a loose leaf binder of useful facts and figures he'd copied, acquired and so on and thought it might be a good idea to publish it for others. In the introduction he says that's he's not really an author but a compiler. He's very good at it in my opinion.
It looks like this:
and this is typical of the data in it:
And you get 80 pages of it and a card cover but that includes several pages of fascinating 1930's advert's.
I'll wish you luck with the book hunt.
Regards, David
fer_fdi
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Oh what a wonderful book! in all aspects
I'd love to get one
Thanks again David
I'd love to get one
Thanks again David
Dralowid
Michael
Regarding exposure factors with Nooky (without any double entendre), Matheson's Leica Way uncharacteristically doesn't help that much...but...
Here's the theory:
exposure213 by dralowid, on Flickr
And at bottom right here is the table. Top left gives you more info. From what I remember Nooky has the the reductions marked on its barrel?
In the days when I used Nooky occasionally I remember increasing exposure by a stop or so.
exposure214 by dralowid, on Flickr
As to focussing distances using extension tubes of a given length I can find nothing.
Michael
Don't ask me why but El Capitan seems to have speeded up the old V500!
Here's the theory:
exposure213 by dralowid, on FlickrAnd at bottom right here is the table. Top left gives you more info. From what I remember Nooky has the the reductions marked on its barrel?
In the days when I used Nooky occasionally I remember increasing exposure by a stop or so.
exposure214 by dralowid, on FlickrAs to focussing distances using extension tubes of a given length I can find nothing.
Michael
Don't ask me why but El Capitan seems to have speeded up the old V500!
fer_fdi
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great documentation, thanks a lot
>As to focussing distances using extension tubes of a given length I can find nothing.
I was thinking in OUFRO for instance, which is 10mm thick.
I guess there is a mult factor so you can "scale focus" by multiplying the distances on the lens barrel by that factor when using 10mm extension, for example...
Or a general formula to calculate the factor given the extension in millimeters and the focal length.
OUFRO is not cheap, but I have FSU extension rings in LTM, they are cheap and are usually 6, 9, 16, 26mm.
Another way is to install a given ext. ring and actually see where it focus at mfd of the lens using a ground glass and anotate it.
Then bring a piece of string of that length (from film or from lens front) so you have a quick way to know where is new mfd. : )
>As to focussing distances using extension tubes of a given length I can find nothing.
I was thinking in OUFRO for instance, which is 10mm thick.
I guess there is a mult factor so you can "scale focus" by multiplying the distances on the lens barrel by that factor when using 10mm extension, for example...
Or a general formula to calculate the factor given the extension in millimeters and the focal length.
OUFRO is not cheap, but I have FSU extension rings in LTM, they are cheap and are usually 6, 9, 16, 26mm.
Another way is to install a given ext. ring and actually see where it focus at mfd of the lens using a ground glass and anotate it.
Then bring a piece of string of that length (from film or from lens front) so you have a quick way to know where is new mfd. : )
Monochrom
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Simple and Straight forward
Simple and Straight forward
Hi, the nooky is very simple to use.
Screw it to your camera and then lock the elmar.
The thing that will eventually have some play is the original mount that can be modev back a forth a little.
These are only two steps
Once done you shoot normally trust in leica, after the first results you will be very confident.
🙂
Simple and Straight forward
Hi, the nooky is very simple to use.
Screw it to your camera and then lock the elmar.
The thing that will eventually have some play is the original mount that can be modev back a forth a little.
These are only two steps
Once done you shoot normally trust in leica, after the first results you will be very confident.
🙂
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