BEST Alternatives to PayPal's 6 Month Return Policy ?

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Starting November 14 2014, Paypal in all of its wonderful goodness,
is making a SIX MONTH BUYER RETURN privilege MANDATORY ON ALL PAYPAL SALES - from Ebay or not
- IF THE BUYER CLAIMS THE ITEM IS NOT TO BE AS DESCRIBED.

A new camera with a software bug? Arguably not as described - the seller did not inform the buyer of the unknown software bug.
A tiny scratch the seller did not mention (that may not have been there at the time of sale), arguably not as described. You get the picture.

With this new wonderful Paypal policy,

What are the best alternatives to Paypal that offer both seller and buyer SANE protection both ways?

There are other internet payment methods ...

Stephen
 
Google Wallet is pretty good. I think there's like a $1600 maximum on transactions. So not so good if you're selling high value items.

But the fees are awesome. GoogleWallet charges the BUYER the transaction fee. The seller doesn't pay a dime. However if the buyer has their checking account plugged into googlewallet, there's no fee charged at all, to anyone.
 
Obviously, if you are a seller this is not good but if you are a buyer it is good. I imagine that there has been a good number of complaints reference sellers. From personal experience I purchased items that stopped working after 2 months, even though they were described as in perfect working condition just serviced. Many items sold should be sold with a one year guarantee.
 
Steve Bellayr said:
Obviously, if you are a seller this is not good but if you are a buyer it is good. I imagine that there has been a good number of complaints reference sellers. From personal experience I purchased items that stopped working after 2 months, even though they were described as in perfect working condition just serviced. Many items sold should be sold with a one year guarantee.
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If something stops working after two months it's the product that's at fault, not the seller. If John Smith sells his used camera on the internet he shouldn't have to offer a guarantee beyond when you get it it will work. That's what a business like KEH or Adorama is for. There's a reason why buying from a used dealer is more expensive than some guy on the internet.
 
Six months on any kind of device? That's totally absurd!
That shouldn't be legal: items are of different kinds... Use implies different risks...
It will give lots of problems, and might end up even killing PayPal...
Cheers,
Juan
 
p.giannakis said:
Is there a way of using Google Wallet with ebay?
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I just checked eBays terms and paypal is required. Other methods and money orders are not allowed except for certain items such as cars.. No outside payment services like google wallet are allowed..

Good news though... you can pay for purchases at B&H with google wallet..
 
Www.catawiki.nl offers the ability to document any collection (including cameras) online, and if you decide to sell an item in their auction, they hold the payment until the buyer gives the 'all clear' or until the seller receives his item back.

10 million+ users so far, and rapidly expanding too.
 
I always have some stuff listed, but prior to Nov 14 I will stop selling on eBay. I've already stopped buying for the most part, so going forward I won't need to sell anything that no longer meets my needs.
 
This is all probably a good thing. My GAS will slow down because re-selling becomes much tougher.

At least KEH still issues checks when they buy something from me.
 
I take personal checks or money orders in payment for most stuff - of course this no longer works on eBay. My best advice is to use eBay to sell low priced, low risk items. These policies will have consequences for eBay in that many sellers will not just roll over and accept them, but adapt.
 
Unfortunately Ebay and Paypal have established such a huge share of this market that there really are not many other options. In most buyer's minds Ebay is THE ONLY auction site and Paypal IS THE safest way to pay.

It will be interesting to see how this affects the bottom line because the only way that either of these companies will reconsider is if their policies begin to strangle their growth.
 
photomoof said:
By the way eBay also allows ProPay and Skrill. Both of them only take money back in the case of credit card chargebacks, since they do not do bank transfers, however, like Paypal, they cannot protect you against chargebacks. Paypal has some leverage against chargebacks since they can suspend the buyer.

You are better off using your own credit card service, if you keep good documents you have a fair chance of prevailing.
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interesting. I've never used ProPay with Ebay, but it looks a lot better than Paypal right now.

Stephen
 
Even today most 'not as described' cases are bogus.

They are actually 'I found it cheaper somewhere else'

or

'I found this rare camera from some old lady in Nantucket who had no idea of its true value and I got it for almost nothing, so I'd like to get the thousands back I paid for the one I bought from you'

or

'I cleaned the Summicron with a paper towel and put scratches all over the glass so I need to return it.'

or

'I'm from Hong Kong and I resell Leica gear here, but after putting the lens I bought from you on the market I find I can't make enough profit, so I want to return it'

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My guess is Paypal will discover the error of their ways....just a matter of when they do.
 
Well, there's no free lunch now. Nowhere.

Now... I use Amazon, and yes, they charge the seller... but then they also give the seller a credit for shipping (for instance, you sell a $20.00 item, and pay $5.00, but then you receive a $2.00 credit to ship it, you end up paying $3.00). There is a direct deposit to your bank account at the end or the middle of the month. I think, however, that should the buyer have any remorse, you're obligated to return the item, but there's a time window they set. It's not six months anyway...
 
Bill Clark said:
As a vendor, can you list your products on Amazon?

I walk with a retired hardware store gent and he used Amazon.
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Yes, you can sell on Amazon and they make it easy. Click the Sell Yours button and you're off. I've sold quite a bit there and sale prices seem higher. I think folks will pay a little more to avoid the auction experience. I certainly will. This assumes Amazon already has a listing for the product.

Amazon takes 8% on camera gear. Not positive, but I believe Ebay takes 10% and Paypal 3%.

John
 
Pioneer said:
Unfortunately Ebay and Paypal have established such a huge share of this market that there really are not many other options. In most buyer's minds Ebay is THE ONLY auction site and Paypal IS THE safest way to pay.

It will be interesting to see how this affects the bottom line because the only way that either of these companies will reconsider is if their policies begin to strangle their growth.
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Sooner or later , their fancy gunslinging tricks will result with them shooting off a toe or two ,
I wish them luck .
The ebay I grew up with was more like a garage sale .
And I really liked it .
 
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