Best of the 135s?

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That Tele-Elmar thread, among other things, has been making me want a 135 for my M9 and M4P. I wonder how the various options compare--I've been looking at the one with goggles, and the old Elmar, and the Tele-Elmar, and the Hektor, and of course the black Canon 135/3.5, which is only around 60 bucks in good condition. What's the best of the bunch?
 
Of the Leicas, I recall Erwin Puts marking the current APO-Telyt as best, followed by (in that order) the Tele-Elmar and Elmarit.
I don't know his thoughts on the Elmar and the Hektor, but seeing how he claimed the Elmarit came close to the Tele-Elmar from f4 and on, I think they'll be a bit below them (with the Elmar beating the Hektor).

Also remember that with a 135mm, the accuracy of your rangefinder will probably be more important than the quality of the lens, there's a reason these lenses are used most often on M3s and 0.85 finders
 
Also remember that with a 135mm, the accuracy of your rangefinder will probably be more important than the quality of the lens, there's a reason these lenses are used most often on M3s and 0.85 finders

Yeah, this is why I keep looking at the goggled elmarit. It's so big and clunky lookin' though.
 
Most of the 135s out there are optically very good and differences minimal.

Check your Leicas and see if you really want to use those 135mm framelines ....

If not, the 135 Elmarit will be the only option. Big though.
 
Just so happens I did a test two weeks ago. I had 3 Leitz 135mm lenses - Hektor, Elmar M, and Tele Elmar (E39) and wanted to keep only one, but which one? I used an M8.2 on a tripod and mostly shot a newspaper taped to the wall and various objects none worthy of posting and I deleted the files anyway. The results: The Hektor to put it kindly is a portrait lens with lots of glow wide open. Stopping down a few stops sharpens up the middle but the edges and corners remain soft.

The Elmar really surprised me. I thought the Tele-Elmar was going to blow it to the weeds but the results were really close, so close that I sold the TE. The TE was late production from 1994 with perfect glass. The Elmar the one I decided to keep is M mount from the 60's. I made 6 shots of the newspaper with the camera on the tripod at max aperture with each lens, and for each shot I always refocused. Out of the 6 shots I chose the best one. I thought that should eliminate focusing error the best I could. I then compared the chosen shots from both lens. Aside from the corners the details from the newspaper were the same. The TE was perfect and the Elmar corners were slightly soft. I only tested them at max aperture so in the real world when stopped down a stop or used handheld it would not matter.

There are of course other characteristics such as bokeh, contrast, color, etc., I did not test but given I only use this focal length a few times a year at best and that I could and did get $750 for it I did what was right for me.
 
I have the Apo 135 and love it. I've used it on M6, Epson R-D1, and M8. It is tricky to focus, but not as difficult as many make it out to be. I have found this to be a tremendous lens.

Joel
 
Personally, my choice was between the Elmar and the Tele-Elmar (due to their 39mm filter size), and in the end, I chose the Tele-Elmar's smaller size over the Elmar's lesser weight.

It all depends on your priorities I guess.
 
May I put ina word for the Canon? I haven't tested it against Leitz 135s, but it beat both of my Leitz 90mms; a really stunning, sharp lens. It weighs about 35 pounds however so I use the 90s or the Canon 100/3.5, which is tiny, for walking around, forgoing the extra length. On the other hand I love it too much to get rid of it. I have the chrome by the way. Is the black optically different?
 
I was going to put in a word for the Canon 135mm 3.5 as well. Its the only 135 I've used but I haven't had any complaints about sharpness - or at least central sharpness - wide open. I have the chrome version.

The price made it the only 135 I can really justify purchasing as I don't use that focal length often.
 
The new 135 f3.5 is very expensive and only a half stop faster than the previous model. As far a quality is concerned the newer one is only slightly better. The problem with the 135mm, although extremely sharp, is its difficulty focusing on a 0.72 viewfinder. The 0.85 viewfinder is better. It is best used under full light conditions where you are in the f8 or higher range. The image obtained is extremely sharp. The one caveat is that you, because of the small magnification, are never 100% certain of the final image until it is processed therefore it will probably work better with the M9 than the M4P. I use it when I know that there is now way that I will be getting near the subject.
 
135 Elmar is a fantastic lens. Mandler design. Sharp, light, easy to handle. Great rendering.
Just paid $175 for mine, so a bargain Leica.
 
Why is the Elmarit so vilified on account of the size? 🙁

I have one, I like it. It's my second. I had a first version but sold it and got the second version of it. Yes, the goggles have to be well aligned and the front element (in the second version) takes a 55mm filter, but then so does the third version Summicron 90mm. And the first and second version of this latter lens (90mm) are even bigger than the Elmarit, yet nobody complains about them.

The Elmarit is one good 135mm lens. Look it up in pnet. You'll find a thread devoted to using this lens with the M8 (it can be done). Also, my avatar was done with an Elmarit 135. Granted, the print is a bit blurry (the foot was in motion and I used Ektachrome ISO 200), but that's operator's error, not the lens's.

Take care! 🙂
 
Good Choice! I've recently had the goggled 135mm F2.8 Elmarit, it was excellent (really excellent) but now I have the black Canon 135mm F3.5.

I just as happy, and it's smaller to boot. I bought mine from KEH for $54.
 
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