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Bill Pierce

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A lot of the new lenses that are released are huge - and expensive and amazingly popular. They have large maximum apertures and size increases tied to focusing motors and designs that deal with the relatively thick cover glass on sensors. While one of the full frame, mirrorless bodies I use is conventionally sized, I have a 40/1.4 lens with dimensions of 3 1/2 inches wide and just over 5 inches long, a 90mm macro at over 3 by 5 inches and a 135/1.8 at 3 1/2 inches wide and 5 inches long that I use on it. And, yes, they are not only big, but they are heavy. They are all excellent lenses, but the size and weight limit the when, where and how they are used - not exactly the first choice for the street, the trip or the family and friends get together.




I know they won’t get me a round of applause at the camera club (rather small and unimpressive in appearance), but I also have a 24/2.8, 40/2.5 and 65/2 auto focus lenses, With today’s sensors those lenses, which have excellent wide open performance, can easily handle low levels of existing light. The previously mention 40/1.4 and 135/1.8 are almost always used wide open, not because the light level is low, but because I want to isolate and separate people from their backgrounds by throwing the background out of focus. And that giant 90 - it’s a macro. The three little lenses and a camera body fit in a small bag that’s easy to carry everywhere - and also has my wallet, cell phone, glasses and extra battery. No, there isn’t a 105 or 135. I cheat and crop the 65.




There is one other way to keep size down - use “manual focus” lenses. Yes, if you took pictures long ago in the 20th century, you probably remember those lenses that had rings you had to turn to make the image sharp and “in focus.” Without focus motors some of those lenses were quite small. Leica rangefinder cameras still use those lenses, although the $8,000 plus price a 35/2 aspherical limits the number of folks with first hand experience. There are, however, a number of manual focus lenses made by Chinese firms like Laowa, Vitrox, Meilke, Mitakon, TT Artisan and 7 Artisans that provide manual focus lens at much lower prices and in some cases with unique specifications. At a medium price point you have firms like Zeiss (Loxia) and Voigtlander (Apo-Lanthar) providing a range of lenses of exceptional quality with maximum apertures between 2 and 2.8. Actually, if you are scale focusing, prefocusing or just shooting the great numbest of subjects that don’t demand instant or continuous focus, you might notice that some those primitive 20th century photographers did a pretty good job even though they had to turn the focusing ring themselves. And some of those lenses, like the Loxia and Apo-Lanthar are among the best. Small and good - that’s not bad.




I’m a little worried, because much of what I see on the web seems to be promoting the most expensive lenses without discussing the alternatives, alternatives that in many cases because of size are actually better choices in the usefulness department even though they cost less. Your thoughts? What are you doing?
 
This is likely to not be taken well, but as I am not a professional photographer, I neither need the latest, largest, greatest, or most expensive lens on the shop shelf. Manual focus? Of course. While I started out using Sony mirrorless cameras (and still use them) I sold off my autofocus lenses years ago. Going further, I have moved away from using SLR lenses, regardless of their quality, and have settled on LTM rangefinder lenses, primarily Canon but with a small addition of other brands. The funny thing is that while using those lenses I decided to try them in a film camera, and now shoot more with my Canon rangefinders than I do with the Sony cameras. The lenses are small, of excellent build quality, are optically satisfying to me, and far less expensive than what is available new, either for DSLR, mirrorless, or rangefinder.
 
Little until I need something else to accomplish what I want to accomplish… but my fetish is smaller is better. I probably could do most of my photography with the new Ricoh GRIIIx. It certainly will be the only camera I bring when traveling... unless I decide to ring the original GRIII too.
 
... Leica rangefinder cameras still use those lenses, although the $8,000 plus price a 35/2 aspherical limits the number of folks with first hand experience. ... Your thoughts? What are you doing?
An off-the-shelf Leica 35mm f/2 Asph is < $4,000 - not $8,000. Be that as it may, I use one camera system - the Leica M system. The lenses (whether Leica or after-market) happen to be compact and light-weight. I suppose whatever system you choose has its advantages and disadvantages. In this case, lightweight and compact generally happen to be among those advantages of the Leica M system.
 
An off-the-shelf Leica 35mm f/2 Asph is < $4,000 - not $8,000. Be that as it may, I use one camera system - the Leica M system. The lenses (whether Leica or after-market) happen to be compact and light-weight. I suppose whatever system you choose has its advantages and disadvantages. In this case, lightweight and compact generally happen to be among those advantages of the Leica M system.

You are right. I was referring to the APO-Summicron

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When I first took a look at the Nikon Z and its lenses, I was startled by how large the lenses are. The 50mm Z prime is near the same size as an F-mount 50 with the adapter. The camera is compact relative to a DSLR, and makes for a pretty small and lightweight package if it's paired with a rangefinder lens. But, I've not decided on what my best approach would be.
 
I use Nikon DSLRs and Fuji mirrorless. Big and small. I like them both. But I tend to lean toward the small most of the time.

The internet has become a marketing platform so it's not surprising the influencers and enablers are pushing the newest and most expensive lenses and ignoring the "cheap" lenses. I've been buying some of the tiny truly cheap Chinese brand primes for the Fuji and I'm amazed at how they can make such pleasing photos. They are certainly not following the glass perfection trend but the optical faults make the pictures more interesting to me. I recently picked up a Voigtlander 40/1.4 Nokton Classic SC to adapt to the Fujis. It makes for a long normal lens equivalent that I like quite a bit. I also like the look of the photos done with this lens. My big problem with these small manual focus lenses is getting the focus right. With all the focus peaking and digital rangefinders and EVF magnification Fuji provides you'd have thought it should be easier to focus these lenses. But it's not for me. I can focus manually on the Nikon much easier but still not perfectly. Old eyes goin' bad.
 
I came to the stage 🙂 where wearing FF DSLR with its premium zoom is just too heavy and also obstructive.
I like how older FF DSLR is much more better build and robust than plasticky FF mirrorless. Nor I like EVF.
But weight and size of FF DSLR... Canon lowered it down with 6D series to bellow 800 g. Which is still, heavy for me.

So, while holding to FF old DSLR and its big and heavy, not so fast lenses, I got tiny, small FF Canon RP mirrorless. I can just use it instead of wrestling, hauling FF DSLR rig.
Buying more advanced FF mirroless is pointless to me. They are all close to FF DSLR in weight and size is not appealing either.
It looks like I'm about to sell my old premium FF DSLR and its old premium lenses... To get some more mirrorless...

RF manual focus lenses as smaller size and weight? Not a practical solution for me on any mirrorless. Every time I put my small RF lenses on RP, it feels like I'm on the spectrum of hipsta.
I got fascinating by new manual focus MiC lenses for specific mount. But most of the time real users reviews shows what you are getting what you have paid for. While even Canon which is late to FF mirrorless by now has limited, yet, versatile enough selection of not expensive, not heavy, AF STM lenses.

Sure, I like the feel of Canon 50 1.8 LTM on Canon RP. It feels like right choice on the system. Final full compatibility without crap, sorry, crop. But with same size, weight 50 1.8 RF it is just so much faster and accurate to get pictures framed and in focus. While image quality is just better with Canon RF AF lens comparing to Canon RF LTM lens. Any.
 
I guess I've been bitten by the 'small is better' bug. The latest FE2.8/24 G and FE2.5/40 G lenses have made their way into my arsenal. Size/weight/auto focus capability all in nicely sized packages AND they have aperture rings on them too. Nice combo's on any of my Sony bodies.
 
I also just purchased the Sony 50/2.5 G today. Compared to the 24/1.4, it is very lightweight and compact, and it doesn’t grab someone’s attention like a large lens. I previously had the loxia 50mm, but decided I needed something with autofocus. I love using manual focus lenses on rangefinders and SLRs but not really on mirrorless cameras…to each their own.
 
While my decision to switch to mirrorless has been guided by what can I do with what I already have (such as a good assortment of DX lenses), I also purchased an M-to-Z adapter to see if using such a camera would work as an alternative to a digital M (though truth be told, I'd rather be able to afford an M10). So far the results have been promising, so I'll likely snag a used Z5 some day for all my rangefinder lenses. Hoping also that the upgrade to the FTZ adapter will allow me to use my D lenses in AF instead of MF mode.

The Nikon DX Z lenses are not heavy, with their larger diameters being required mostly by the AF and VR drives and the new mount. But there are only two so far (16-50mm, and 50-250mm), with one more zoom on the way (18-150mm), so I'll be using my older DX G lenses more often until they expand the Z line.

PF
 
I recently picked up the Voigtlander 50mm F1.2 Nokton, about the same size as my Nikkor 50mm F1.2 Ais.

Compared with the NIKKOR Z 50mm f/1.2 S - simply proves that Nikon has lost its mind. Most of the industry seems to have lost the ability to make and market a camera that people want, not noticing that more people use a cell phone for taking pictures because it is small and convenient. The 1970s- the flexibility of SLR's, and smaller size of the Olympus OM1, Pentax MX/ME, Nikon FM/FE, and convenience of the Canon AE-1 converted may 126 and 110 Instamatic shooters to using 35mm cameras. Making a huge camera with even bigger lenses is not going to win over many cell phone shooters.
 
Most of us seem to prefer smaller lenses for every day usage. Big lenses are harder to carry, shoot handheld and pay for. Those qualities are reasonable for a special purpose lens, a long lens for sports, wildlife or theatre, a super high speed lens for shallow depth of field or a long focal length macro. I think my gripe is with folks who review these special purpose lenses as though they were all purpose lenses.




Example - I have a 50mm, f1.0 Fuji lens whose almost non-existent depth of field wide open is great for portraits. And yet there have been reviews that negatively viewed the fact that wide open edge performance, even to a slight extent central sharpness wasn’t at its best until you stopped down a bit. That’s true for almost any lens. But this lens is a portrait lens, a lens with a special purpose. The corners aren’t important. In truth, for most portraits neither is the ultimate in wide open central sharpness.




The lens weighs just short of 2 pounds. If somebody thinks I’m going to use it stopped down for street shooting, they are out of their mind. I can barely hand hold it when I’m using it in a studio. Clearly the reviewer who is concerned with its performance at f/5.6 is much stronger than me.




One of the best of the “Fujicrons” is the 50mm, f2 that costs a third of the price of its big brother and weighs 7 ounces. That’s a general purpose lens.
 
Most of us seem to prefer smaller lenses for every day usage. Big lenses are harder to carry, shoot handheld and pay for. Those qualities are reasonable for a special purpose lens, a long lens for sports, wildlife or theatre, a super high speed lens for shallow depth of field or a long focal length macro. I think my gripe is with folks who review these special purpose lenses as though they were all purpose lenses.




Example - I have a 50mm, f1.0 Fuji lens whose almost non-existent depth of field wide open is great for portraits. And yet there have been reviews that negatively viewed the fact that wide open edge performance, even to a slight extent central sharpness wasn’t at its best until you stopped down a bit. That’s true for almost any lens. But this lens is a portrait lens, a lens with a special purpose. The corners aren’t important. In truth, for most portraits neither is the ultimate in wide open central sharpness.




The lens weighs just short of 2 pounds. If somebody thinks I’m going to use it stopped down for street shooting, they are out of their mind. I can barely hand hold it when I’m using it in a studio. Clearly the reviewer who is concerned with its performance at f/5.6 is much stronger than me.




One of the best of the “Fujicrons” is the 50mm, f2 that costs a third of the price of its big brother and weighs 7 ounces. That’s a general purpose lens.

I could certainly use the 50mm F1 on the street... especially at night. Any lens I use, I use at many apertures. I can't imagine only using a lens wide open. That said, will I ever buy the 50mm F1? No. I just am not interested in ultra fast lenses anymore. I guess the bokeh crazed world just got to me. Even for portraits, I'd rather go stopped down.
 
You'd be surprised, but there is a segment of buyers that think bigger is better and makes them look more pro.

I remember a story from the mid 1970s about a Stereo Manufacturer that put the same electronics in a big case and a small case, the larger one cost more and more of them sold.

I think the bigger-is-better segment is smaller these days, otherwise the camera industry would not be facing such problems.
Of course the u43 market has just about collapsed. Personally, I think too many models with very small improvements came out too quickly. The Olympus series- new one every 6~12 months or so? Even less? The E-PL1 followed by the E-PL10 in less than 10 years. Why buy new when you can get last year's model at a fraction of the cost.
 
I remember a story from the mid 1970s about a Stereo Manufacturer that put the same electronics in a big case and a small case, the larger one cost more and more of them sold.

I think the bigger-is-better segment is smaller these days, otherwise the camera industry would not be facing such problems.
Of course the u43 market has just about collapsed. Personally, I think too many models with very small improvements came out too quickly. The Olympus series- new one every 6~12 months or so? Even less? The E-PL1 followed by the E-PL10 in less than 10 years. Why buy new when you can get last year's model at a fraction of the cost.

That's funny. I would agree that it is smaller... but I mean the segment for serious cameras is smaller overall. Still, go to a site like dpreview and you still see the bigger is better group being represented. Or maybe do yourself a favor and don't go!
 
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