John Robertson
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Issue No48 (July 2005 ) due out in UK on 23rd June, will have test of the Voigtleander Bessa R3A. Also an article on the Corfield Periflex cameras. 🙂
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FrankS
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Thanks for the heads up, John. That is an excellent magazine!
Your avatar picture is hilarious! Is that your dog the morning after some hard partying like an animal?
Your avatar picture is hilarious! Is that your dog the morning after some hard partying like an animal?
John Robertson
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Dog!!! What dog?? its me!!
peter_n
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LOL, John. I too find that avatar, erm, interesting shall we say? 🙂
Excuse my ignorance, but are there two Black & White magazines? There's an American one, and one from old Blighty as well?
Excuse my ignorance, but are there two Black & White magazines? There's an American one, and one from old Blighty as well?
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
John, you should give your dog some proper food once in a while. 😀
Thanks for the heads-up.
Thanks for the heads-up.
vincentbenoit
télémétrique argentique
Let's hope the review will be of higher standard than that of the Epson R-D1 published in issue 46.John Robertson said:
John Robertson
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Sorry we have strange pets, the dog is a friends who always drinks out of the toilet!! Our cat meanwhile has been caught sitting on the toilet seat peeing in the pan, I have yet to catch this on film. I really must get out more, or so the nurse says!!!
OT the Black and White magazine is the British one.
Ok it didn't praise the RD-1 to hell and beyond, but I thought personally it was fair, and similar to what has been said in other magazines. It didn't damn it either!!
OT the Black and White magazine is the British one.
Ok it didn't praise the RD-1 to hell and beyond, but I thought personally it was fair, and similar to what has been said in other magazines. It didn't damn it either!!
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thanks for the heads up
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I agree with John, the review of the RD-1 seemed fair to me. At least it was obvious the reviewer had a clue, unlike <cough> PC Magazine <cough>.
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Richard Black
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John,
I received my B&W Mag today and it has a Nikon F6 review and a Contax but no R3a. Is there a home version and an international version. I live in the US.
Richard
I received my B&W Mag today and it has a Nikon F6 review and a Contax but no R3a. Is there a home version and an international version. I live in the US.
Richard
stephen_lumsden
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John (in the US)
That is the latest edition. John R is talking about the next one for July.
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Stephen
That is the latest edition. John R is talking about the next one for July.
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Stephen
John Robertson
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Sorry if I did not make that clear Richard. I've still got my head down the toilet!
FrankS
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That must have been quite a party, John! You must be a real party animal! Let us know when you're feeling yourself again.
(That last sentence sounds strange, depending on how you take it.)
(That last sentence sounds strange, depending on how you take it.)
pvdhaar
Peter
FrankS said:
Frank you should stop mentioning (let alone be making) double entendres, my left and right brain hemispheres just flipped sides. I'll have to look through the Bessa-T finder upside down for a week now..
pvdhaar
Peter
Back on topic again..
I really like the UK B&W Mag, and they certainly can't be accused of writing reviews that breathe an advertorial atmosphere.
That said, I sometimes find their reviews a bit -how shall I say this- a bit lacking in depth. It's not like they've pushed the camera to the limit, or worked it for a couple of months.. Instead these appear like initial impressions. Nothing bad with that, but what I'd like is a hands on on stuff that's been taken to hell and back.
I really like the UK B&W Mag, and they certainly can't be accused of writing reviews that breathe an advertorial atmosphere.
That said, I sometimes find their reviews a bit -how shall I say this- a bit lacking in depth. It's not like they've pushed the camera to the limit, or worked it for a couple of months.. Instead these appear like initial impressions. Nothing bad with that, but what I'd like is a hands on on stuff that's been taken to hell and back.
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Shadesofgrey
Happiness, is a darkroom
Have to agree with you here Peter. I’ve subscribed for sometime but have cancelled of late. I’ll buy it if and when there’s something I want to read; though it’s hard to find up here in Hertfordshire 🙁 Its changed since I first discover it (on holiday in my favourite part of the UK, Devon) and ‘Roger Hicks’ cost me £££ for an R2 😉 Best dosh I’ve ever spent on a non reflex 😛 But as you say, the reviews (of late) are not what they were/could be. By the way…..Is it just me or is there anyone else out there that’s not in love with the new-ish format. At least the print stays on, which is more than can be said for AP 😡 18 year old son left this weeks copy of AP on glass coffee table 😱 Fifteen baby-wipes later :bang:
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vincentbenoit
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That's exactly what I meant. I've never questioned the fairness of the R-D1 review, but honestly I didn't learn much from it. A camera of this importance (and price) would have deserved a more in-depth review based on real-life use under various conditions rather than on the mere shooting of static subjects on an overcast day. (OK, this is England, but still...). Also, I would have liked the reviewer to adress the known potential limitations of digital capture (like, for example, reduced dynamic range and propensity to blow highlights) and test how the camera fares in this respect.pvdhaar said:
Cheers
Vincent
John Robertson
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Have just read the magazine, the R3a test is done by Frances Schultz, Roger Hicks wife, and a Bessa user, so it is an informed test done by someone who knows what they are talking about.
John, who is much too old to bother about "feeling himself" :angel:
John, who is much too old to bother about "feeling himself" :angel:
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Richard Black
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I guess I'll join John with his head in the "loo", I believe that is British. I guess I receive the current version later than you fellows and thus my confusion. John, cheers for feeling yourself again soon!
Roger Hicks
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The trouble with a 'to hell and back' review is twofold.
First, there's no time. Really hammeribg a camera takes a long time (as my MP will bear witness). Let's say you get the camera when it first becomes available. It'll take a week or two to do the test at all meaningfully and then you have to print the pics, write the article and send it in. Then there's a lead time -- anything up to 3 months -- before the magazine appears. By then the camera is half way to old news anyway.
Second, only a fool would use an untried camera for serious work. We've just come back from Eastern Europe where we shot a LOT of film (86 rolls). One of Frances's main cameras was the R3A (the other was a T). That's because she'd tried them and trusted them. Until then, you don't hammer them -- you hammer the cameras you already know and trust.
In fact, there's more. Only rarely does a magazine run all your test shots -- Frances supplied four or five, and they ran two -- and besides, with a reliable camera, you're testing the lenses (which were not new) as much as the camera. Frances actually shot 5 or 10 rolls with the R3 for the test alone, and had to pick out from those the ones that showed the camera's performance. In due course you'll also see in B+W her review of the 75/2 Summicron, some of which was shot with the R3A.
Cheers,
Roger (www.rogeramdfrances.com)
First, there's no time. Really hammeribg a camera takes a long time (as my MP will bear witness). Let's say you get the camera when it first becomes available. It'll take a week or two to do the test at all meaningfully and then you have to print the pics, write the article and send it in. Then there's a lead time -- anything up to 3 months -- before the magazine appears. By then the camera is half way to old news anyway.
Second, only a fool would use an untried camera for serious work. We've just come back from Eastern Europe where we shot a LOT of film (86 rolls). One of Frances's main cameras was the R3A (the other was a T). That's because she'd tried them and trusted them. Until then, you don't hammer them -- you hammer the cameras you already know and trust.
In fact, there's more. Only rarely does a magazine run all your test shots -- Frances supplied four or five, and they ran two -- and besides, with a reliable camera, you're testing the lenses (which were not new) as much as the camera. Frances actually shot 5 or 10 rolls with the R3 for the test alone, and had to pick out from those the ones that showed the camera's performance. In due course you'll also see in B+W her review of the 75/2 Summicron, some of which was shot with the R3A.
Cheers,
Roger (www.rogeramdfrances.com)
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