aizan
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Black Zeiss Ikon ZM
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Huck Finn
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aizan said:
Actually, Aizan, I was talking about me. :angel: But if the shoe fits . . . 😛
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Huck
KoNickon
Nick Merritt
Mr. Gandy indicates the "chrome" is actually silver paint, and he doesn't think it'll look very good (or wear attractively). I understand the camera to be made of a magnesium alloy. If that's so, then they could have left it unpainted -- my GR1 is of a mag. alloy as well and handsome in the (unpainted) silver finish. But if the silver paint wears off to a silver magnesium, that should look OK, I think.
I guess I don't understand the attraction of black paint. Yes, it looks great on certain cameras, but it doesn't wear well at all. I know lots of people love the "brassy" look, but I'm not one of them. I think I'd rather have a camera finish that doesn't show the wear. Does a brassy black finish camera hold its value better than a chrome finish version that doesn't show the wear (assuming a similar number of black and chrome cameras made)?
I guess I don't understand the attraction of black paint. Yes, it looks great on certain cameras, but it doesn't wear well at all. I know lots of people love the "brassy" look, but I'm not one of them. I think I'd rather have a camera finish that doesn't show the wear. Does a brassy black finish camera hold its value better than a chrome finish version that doesn't show the wear (assuming a similar number of black and chrome cameras made)?
jano
Evil Bokeh
Why is paint better than anodized?
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
Of course, in the past, professional photogs used to paint their cameras black. Hence the tradition. 🙂
Graham Line
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Wonder why they aren't using something more durable, like an epoxy powder coating or something similar. Does that fail to draw the brassing fetishists? Whatever the finish on my Minolta CLE, it shows very little wear after several years of use.
Has a retail price been published for the black ZI?
Has a retail price been published for the black ZI?
Huck Finn
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Joe Brugger said:
High praise for the CLE, Joe. Don't you mean several decades of use? 😉
The retail price of the ZI is the same regardless of the color.
Huck
einolu
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<<< brassing fan, worn camera fan
heh. I think I will spend a little less and grab a M4-P, when I get a job...
heh. I think I will spend a little less and grab a M4-P, when I get a job...
Jason_K
Shooter
Huck Finn said:
Actually CameraQuest lists the black model at $1400.
Little Prince
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It can't be plain Magnesium. I'm quite sure the metal is highly combustible and reacts strongly to water. It must be alloyed with something (Aluminum is common, though I don't know if so in the camera business).
mr roberts
Just R
In this case, as well as with the black m6, we might want to replace "brassing" with "magging" to properly describe the apppearance created by use of the tool.
The underlying mag, likely alloyed and as likely created by a high pressure molding process (Thixo) rather than die casting, will have been finished to optimize paint adhesion rather than brought to a bright finish that would blend well as the silver "coating" wears.
I'm with Joe as well. I'd like to see a more matte finish black to dark grey powder coat instead of paint. The black by the way looks better, IMO, because it makes the panel aroung the lens mount a little less strident. I'd like to see the silver modified to bring the covering in closer with a form that offsets from the radius of the lens mount.
Other than that, the silver is a handsome tool in its own right.
The underlying mag, likely alloyed and as likely created by a high pressure molding process (Thixo) rather than die casting, will have been finished to optimize paint adhesion rather than brought to a bright finish that would blend well as the silver "coating" wears.
I'm with Joe as well. I'd like to see a more matte finish black to dark grey powder coat instead of paint. The black by the way looks better, IMO, because it makes the panel aroung the lens mount a little less strident. I'd like to see the silver modified to bring the covering in closer with a form that offsets from the radius of the lens mount.
Other than that, the silver is a handsome tool in its own right.
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OdDbaLL
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You'll have a hard time getting a magnesium body to catch fire unless you shave it into thin slivers. I have a black GR1v, my father has the silver one. Both are painted. Magnesium corrodes very easily and has to be surface treated. I've worn the paint in places on my black one and from what I can see there seems to be another coat of primer/surface treater over the metal.
As for the new Ikon I think it's a beautifully designed camera. I'm very partial to the classic black paint on my MP. It's shiny and black. It just begs for some caressing. My gf just read that and gave me a look of disgust 😀 oh well... The Zeiss is visually quite modernly styled and I feel a matte black is more fitting... I agree the silver is also quite nice in its own right... but everyone knows black cameras take better photos than chrome ones.
As for the new Ikon I think it's a beautifully designed camera. I'm very partial to the classic black paint on my MP. It's shiny and black. It just begs for some caressing. My gf just read that and gave me a look of disgust 😀 oh well... The Zeiss is visually quite modernly styled and I feel a matte black is more fitting... I agree the silver is also quite nice in its own right... but everyone knows black cameras take better photos than chrome ones.
OdDbaLL
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Sorry I meant to say that my black GR1v is displaying some mild "magging" 😀
Huck Finn
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Jason_K said:
Jason, the price is the same regardless of color. That statement is from Hasselblad, not me. Cameraquest is advertising $1400 because they are a grey market dealer that imports cameras from somewhere outside the regular distribution channels, i.e. not through Hasselblad. Their price is not the MSRP. They would have a lower price regardless of color. Stephen Gandy has said that he will only carry black because he doesn't like the silver version, which is his prerogative.
Another grey market dealer, Tony Rose at www.popflash.com, e-mailed me to say he will be carrying the camera at $1311. He expects to have only silver at first. This does not mean that silver is cheaper any more than CQ's $1400 price means that black versions are cheaper. Grey market dealers set their own price, based on the mark-up that will cover overhead & provide them with a reasonable profit. Normally they offer in-house store warrantees rather than manufacturer's warrantees. Dealers receiving cameras from Hasselblad, the approved distributor, must adhere to MSRP.
Huck
Jason_K
Shooter
Huck,
Thanks for the clarification.
Thanks for the clarification.
Huck Finn
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You're welcome, Jason.
Huck
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Huck Finn
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OdDbaLL said:
So true, so true, OdDbaLL. 😀 😀
"It doesn't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
Huck Finn
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eeyore said:
Stephen Gandy posted on LUG today that he will have them "probably in December."
Double Vision
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leafy said:
I wish they had stuck with the nice blue logo from the prototypes, like a Zeiss version of the red dot.
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StuartR
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Maybe it IS pure magnesium. Since the camera does not come with a flash, it IS the flash. You hit the shutter button and the camera explodes, leaving only the lens and film to drop out into a special pocket. It makes it a single use camera though...
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