blatant scam

Red dot on the lens release button tells the whole story.

Not quite sure it's a scam... it may be sheer ignorance. In any case, I sent him a note about rectifying his auction information. Let's see what happens! 🙂
 
... Why not inform before making "blatant" accusations, what is it exactly that you profile yourself as an all-knowing human being .. ?
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again - these sort of posts frustrates the crap out of me.

There have been others that have 'called out' scams and fakes, etc and there has been VERY little to support it. There are a LOT of scams on ebay - we all know it - but what makes this one for instance a 'blatant scam'?

Could it be that he posted the wrong photo?
He have sold expensive items in the past and buyers with 100+ feedback has commented positive on him.
He is allowing paypal.
He comments in his ad that the photo/description is wrong.

What is the blatant scam here?

If I EVER post an ad on ebay and someone for any reason would consider it to be a scam or fake and would post it on the internet advertising that it is - then you have no idea how costly that would be for you.

Since you had no problem going public with this blatant scam - and apparently have serious concerns - I am sending the link to this thread over to the seller on ebay so he can comment or contact you directly.
 
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Rich Silfver said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - these sort of posts frustrates the crap out of me.

There have been others that have 'called out' scams and fakes, etc and there has been VERY little to support it. There are a LOT of scams on ebay - we all know it - but what makes this one for instance a 'blatant scam'?

Could it be that he posted the wrong photo?
He have sold expensive items in the past and buyers with 100+ feedback has commented positive on him.
He is allowing paypal.
He comments in his ad that the photo/description is wrong.

What is the blatant scam here?

If I EVER post an ad on ebay and someone for any reason would consider it to be a scam or fake and would post it on the internet advertising that it is - then you have no idea how costly that would be for you.

Since you had no problem going public with this blatant scam - and apparently have serious concerns - I am sending the link to this thread over to the seller on ebay so he can comment or contact you directly.
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Rich, I can understand your frustration. However, given that you believe the seller made an honest mistake, as indeed appears possible, is it also possible that ywenz also made an honest mistake in thinking there was a scam, from not having read the sellers post completely? And that he simply wished to alert members here? And if there was no intended foul, the mistke here is also aired out. Is it then possible you would be stirring a pot that didn't need stirring?

I don't mean to be confrontational. Just sort of thinking out loud, and curious if you had thought it all the way through. If so, I guess go for it. If not, you might want to reconsider.

Cheers.
 
There is an old saying:

"Put your brain in gear, before putting your mouth in motion."

For the web perhaps:

"Put your brain in gear, before clicking your mouse." ?
 
Rich Silfver said:
Since you had no problem going public with this blatant scam - and apparently have serious concerns - I am sending the link to this thread over to the seller on ebay so he can comment or contact you directly.
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GOOD work Rich. However, I beat you to it. I've already confronted the seller with the mis-information personally.

If this was honestly a serious case of ignorance(not knowing, or not care to know your product well enough to be able to present it accurately to your buyer), my feedback and others' hopefully will remind him to be much more careful with selling such high priced items in the future. With the ebay culture as it is today, these sort of things doesn't help the cause one bit, whether it being intentional or unintentional.

Let me turn the table around now.. how pissed off would you be, if you bought the camera thinking it was a late model with TTL and .58 finder, only to find out once you receive it, that the seller did not take enough care to describe it to you accurately... meanwhile a legitmate TTL was sold on ebay, that you could have bought at a good price.

Also, if you read this item description, he's already attempted to sell the camera as a .85 model. I say If you don't know what you have, labeling it randomly as one thing or another, without any apprent effort of research is dangerous by its own.

Rich Silfver said:
He comments in his ad that the photo/description is wrong
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Where did he say that camera depicted in the picture is not a .58 TTL ?
 
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I really should stay out of ebolay threads, but what ywenz did is a public service. The
single biggest scam (or sham) on the site is the feedback. NOBODY has poor feedback, because everyone's fearful of retribution if they try to point out a dishonest
member. On that site--guilty until proven otherwise. End of my part of the discussion.

Fred
 
I like to think that ywenz was simply trying to warn the membership here to take care, if they were considering a bid on this auction. Deception is becoming a fine art on ebay. It's great that the knowledge exists here to catch these "mistakes," but I agree that "scam" is the wrong word to use in this case.

I didn't read Rich's reply as stirring the pot either, and I agree that we should consider the repercussions of posting an accusation without knowing the certainty of it.


🙂
 
I think the problem is not the warning - that is appreciated, but the terminology "blatant scam".

I cannot view the listing from work but from what Rich says - it appears the seller didn't try to "scam" anyone.

Perhaps a less alarmist advisory would've been better? Such as "be careful here" or "this listing seems to be wrong"?
 
If you look at his past feedback, he has sold this camera before with the same serial #. He discribes it as a M6TTL 85, but the camera didn`t have the extra TTL Flash contacts. I would not chance buying it. SALTYFLI
 
oftheherd said:
Rich, I can understand your frustration. However, given that you believe the seller made an honest mistake, as indeed appears possible, is it also possible that ywenz also made an honest mistake in thinking there was a scam, from not having read the sellers post completely? And that he simply wished to alert members here? And if there was no intended foul, the mistke here is also aired out. Is it then possible you would be stirring a pot that didn't need stirring?

I don't mean to be confrontational. Just sort of thinking out loud, and curious if you had thought it all the way through. If so, I guess go for it. If not, you might want to reconsider.

Cheers.
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I don't agree. If you make a public posting about something being a blatant scam you better have your facts lined up.
 
Rich Silfver said:
I don't agree. If you make a public posting about something being a blatant scam you better have your facts lined up.
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I agree with Rich.

And if you post a "warning" it would also be helpful to explain why you thought it was a "blatant scam" rather than just posting the link and typing a "ppfft".

It may be that the poster knows the gear inside out - but how does that help the "newbie" he's trying to warn?
 
yossarian said:
I really should stay out of ebolay threads, but what ywenz did is a public service. The
single biggest scam (or sham) on the site is the feedback. NOBODY has poor feedback, because everyone's fearful of retribution if they try to point out a dishonest
member. Fred
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Fred, not to be a pain but I can not see how calling something a blatant scam without any facts a public service. Would you feel the same way if you were the seller?

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On that site--guilty until proven otherwise. End of my part of the discussion.
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I believe - and hope - you mean that we should all do our due diligence before entering a commitment to purchase - not to publically string people up before found guilty.
 
MacCaulay said:
Looks like he's used the pictures of his previous sale which was a .85 non TTL.
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His previous M6 auction also had erroneous information. These two unique auctions are indeed for the same camera, but both auctions are based on false information.

Lightning striking twice or something fishy going on? Take your pick...
 
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