Brooks Photography School Closing: Shattered Dreams

[radi(c)al_cam]

Then that would make them fools, wouldn't it? Although I rather doubt anyone hiring looks down on honest labor.

Guess what my US [140393406528] cousins and I agree upon? «Despite being close relatives, we're different species.»

Philip Glass (Juilliard School of Music), David Mamet (Goddard College), and Larry David (University of Maryland ) all drove a taxi. Glass was still driving when he wrote "Einstein on the Beach" with Robert Wilson.

The artist Jeff Koons (Maryland Institute College of Art) worked selling candy door-to-door.

My goodness, formerly taxi driving or chocolate bar selling celebs!

I would have guessed it's not really such a secret that many many celebrities' «managements»* make stories of exactly that kind up, hoping that their respective stars appear less aloof than they actually are

* in this case, in fact «management», and not administration, unless we're talking about a celebrity who's also prominent member of a governmental body

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Must be tough living believing everything is a lie, two of my list I personally know are true.

LOL — or the typical US [140393406528] is more naïve than the typical European?

Whatever, you chose examples who are musicians and artists, while I was talking about J.D.s and M.D.s, e.g. — different species, again

 

[Huss]

The artist Jeff Koons (Maryland Institute College of Art) worked selling candy door-to-door.

Yes, when he was a little kid to make some extra pocket money.

Not as an adult.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Frankly I don't personally know any doctors or lawyers, but I am sure many took menial jobs to support their families before they completed their schooling. Everyone cannot afford to be as snooty as you.

Memo:

Fred,

not everyone knows you well enough to spot your satire

Stephen

Yes, when he was a little kid to make some extra pocket money.

Not as an adult.

Thank you.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

What exactly is your point? Jezz!

Madam or Sir, please don't get too «cute» with me. Particular if it's a certain sort of cute, my wife would definitely disapprove.

 

[Roger Hicks]

This is a photo site, not a forum about the law or medicine.

Frankly I don't personally know any doctors or lawyers personally, but I am sure many took menial jobs to support their families before they completed their schooling. . . .

Not the ones I know -- and I do know quite a few

Cheers,

R.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Not the ones I know -- and I do know quite a few

Exactly

So what did they do, all wealthy?

No, not necessarily have all of them wealthy parents, but: basically everywhere in Europe, we have for our university/college students public (!) systems of scholarship/stipend, in the sense of «means of subsistence» (!!).

 

[Roger Hicks]

So what did they do, all wealthy?

Edit... Now that I dig deep in my long ago past I do remember one med student working at Dairy Queen, and a lawyer who worked at a Kinkos, making copies before he passed the bar. Of course technically he was not a lawyer only a law school grad.

Can't remember if she was an intern or still in school.

How are you defining "wealthy"?

Also, in most of the world, a graduate working in his chosen field is paid enough to live on. Except perhaps barristers.

Cheers,

R.

 

[sevo]

Also, in most of the world, a graduate working in his chosen field is paid enough to live on. Except perhaps barristers.

No, not any more, at any rate unless you study economics or engineering. The majority of younger academics I know straddle along from temporary employment to temporary employment at conditions little better than internships - even an assistant professorship will not earn enough to feed a family, and will end within four years at the most (as the university would have to convert it into a permanent employment by year five).

 

[Roger Hicks]

No, not any more, at any rate unless you study economics or engineering. The majority of younger academics I know straddle along from temporary employment to temporary employment at conditions little better than internships - even an assistant professorship will not earn enough to feed a family, and will end within four years at the most (as the university would have to convert it into a permanent employment by year five).

Fair enough. I was thinking of doctors and lawyers, with the exception of barristers in the UK, which was what I thought I had read. In fact, now I check, that's exactly what I read in post 128. I admit that post 137 was ill phrased: I was still thinking of law and medicine.

Cheers,

R.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

No, not any more, at any rate unless you study economics or engineering. The majority of younger academics I know straddle along from temporary employment to temporary employment at conditions little better than internships - even an assistant professorship will not earn enough to feed a family, and will end within four years at the most (as the university would have to convert it into a permanent employment by year five).

Yes, unfortunately, this US [140393406528] «McJob» phenomenon is reality everywhere today, even in Good Old Europe.

Another very interesting demographic point regarding colleges:

Why do today most college grads in the USA remain childless until they're 35 or even 45, whereas in Europe (including UK) it's definitely not uncommon that college students become parents while studying — AND graduate?

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

"College-educated women are unlikely to have a child before getting married For college-educated women, the average age of first birth (30) has risen along with the average age of marriage (27). Only 12 percent of births by college graduates are to unmarried women."

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/ar...r-is-great-for-college-educated-women/274040/

, apparently you got the impression that in Europe all children of college students are born to unmarried mothers? No, in many cases these college students having children are married mothers

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

What are you talking about now? Jezz I honestly cannot follow your thinking.

Uh-hu.

The Atlantic article is obviously about the US.

Well, the other article you provided is obviously a ghastly tabloid — one mustn't take seriously what you read in the «Daily Mail», at least when one is taking the topic in question seriously.

edit: why did you remove your «Daily Mail» link, nikonhswebmaster?

 

[superultramega]

Kill this thread? Please

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Kill this thread? Please

Only after it is quoted in the National Enquirer.

… and not before I have learned what «Jezz» means.

 

[radi(c)al_cam]

Typo of "Jeez" sometimes written with many z's -- Jeezzzz! More polite Geez.

Uh huh, «Geez» so to say?
And you write it with a «J» so that it cannot be confused with «geezer»? Totally clear.

[Wait, you've edited again. «Hi geezer, you alright?» — in UK English not offensive — https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/geezer]

 

[BillBingham2]

Well there are two or three posts about Brooks?

It's been very enlightening for me. Even about Brooks. sad like so many other institutions that started off for good and fell off the rails in search of ever increasing profits.

B2 (;->

 

[pepeguitarra]

I sounds here like DJT and his followers are attending a rally!

 

[KM-25]

I have found out this week that the school that I am adjunct faculty at one day a week in the Fall will actually take a number of credits from Brooks. It's a great program with great funding so hopefully we can get some of these students and allow them to complete their academic journey with a minimum of additional financial liability.

 

[airfrogusmc]

Bauhaus kinda did survive in a way. It came to Chicago and became the Institute of Design (Moholy-Nagy) and ultimately became part of IIT. Callahan, Siskind and Mies van der Rohe all taught at IIT.