"But this photographer did this with just this..."

Stephanie Brim

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I'm really getting sick of having to justify to people, most of them people I've never met and people who have only seen a smattering of the total of my photography, why I want the gear that I want. To some people, no reason is good enough.

I mentioned in one of the chatrooms that I frequent that I was having a hard time now deciding between going medium format (Mamiya 6) or staying with my 35mm format that I've always used (Leica M2/3). The fact that it is a big decision because I won't have the money to blow on the other set for some time is the reason I want to really choose carefully. I figured that I may get decent comments from some of the few people in that chatroom who still use film cameras. I was so wrong.

"Don't you already have enough gear?"
"Yes, I have a lot of fixed lens rangefinders, but I only have two interchangable lens rangefinders, Argus ones, and only one of the two is in working condition."
"So why do you need more? You have enough."
"I have nothing wider than 40mm and I'm not quite getting the shots that I want because that isn't quite wide enough."
"Well THIS photographer used 40mm for it."
"I said *I* am not quite getting the shots that *I* want."
"Well these photographers started with this focal length."

Pretty much the conversation to a T. This is one of the things that pisses me off the most about some photographers. It seems to happen more in the digital SLR/P&S crowd where they're used to cropping/manipulating their photography to look how they want it in a computer instead of composing the shot in the camera, but it is by no means central to this group. There are people from all kinds of photography that do this. They argue with you over your choice of kit. They argue with you over your choice of lens. They argue with you over your choice of shot. They argue with you over your choice of film. No one bothers to ask you why you made the dicision you did or, when they do, they try and tell you why it was the wrong decision in such absolute terms that you know they think that they are the authority and everything they say is the word of a photography god.

Criminy these people need to get over themselves.

A good kit is an extension of the photographer. A good kit does nothing for the photographer except put their vision into a format that other people can share with them. A good kit is what *you personally* feel that you need. If, after trial and error, you feel that you need another lens to better broadcast that vision, it is your own choice to buy it or not. You, the photographer who actually knows what your vision is, would know best. People who try to talk you out of things instead of actually helping you do nothing but hinder your progress as a photographer. Trying to talk you out of a piece of kit for a legitimate reason is one thing; trying to talk you out of it for as petty of a reason as them thinking you already have too much is another.

So yeah, that about sums up my rant post for the day.
 
Why on earth do you value the opinion of these guys? What are you doing in that chatroom anyway? You should be on this forum! We will talk you INTO buying gear! Seriously, if we would believe everything said in chatrooms or forums we would have funny equipement indeed.
 
Hehehe...why do you think I like it here so much? 😛

You guys are great because you will actually answer questions without sarcastic, know-it-all smugness. I don't value the opinions of those kinds of people, it just ticks me off when they're like that because someone else may actually listen to them.
 
Stephanie,
don't forget how many idiots are out there in the www, and the very most of them meet in chatrooms because in the real world nobody wants to listen to them..
Don't waste your precious time to talk to them, it makes you just upset but is not helpful at all. Choose your interlocutors carefully, ask only those whose pics you've seen and whose arguments sound plausible and are opinion only.

Best regards,
Bertram
 
Stephanie: Unfortunately (and as you've discovered,) this kind of things happens a lot. I'm not sure why it is, though my thoughts tend to wonder about insecurity, techno-centric perspective, or similar issues.

Just let it roll off and find a better community. A lot of us who are serious about photography are also subject to GAS and just loving the camera as an object. There's nothing wrong with that, unless it gets in the way of making pictures, having fun, etc.

I know it's sometimes infuriating, but if I let it bother me, then their problem becomes my problem!

Trius
 
Somehow I met with similar disdain from people like my parents to my friends. All along I've only fixed rangefinders and until only very recently, I manage to acquire a set of R2 with a Skopar 35/2.5P I for USD$575. I would consider it a real bargain but people around me have been telling me about how I shouldn't spend money anymore on gear since I have so much already. The reason I bought the kit was to really get the "look" I want from my photos with the availability of my unique LTM lenses.

Everyone questions me on the sensibility of spending money on new gear but nobody has asked me why did I want to but them. It saddens me greatly when the very people who ask these questions are people who're suppose to be close to you and all they care about is the you shoud spend less money.

Enough of a rant for the day...
 
Stephanie, why are you talking to them? Why are you listening to them? We're here for you.

Have you seen my ad for a chrome Bessa R? I'll throw in a I-61LD 50mm lens, just for you. $200 +shipping, satisfaction guaranteed.
 
Stephanie, remember this: Opinions are usually worth what you pay for them.... and that includes mine. 🙂

If you feel the need for more equipment then by all means decide what you want and then get it. Buy it to make YOU happy....... not someone else.

This is the best forum on the web, hands down. Still, I don't limit myself to rangefinders because SLR's have advantages that I want. If I'm unfamiliar with something, I'll ask for the benefit of other's experience. Then I'll make up my own mind and buy what pleases me. You'll be more at peace with your decisions if you ignore the negative input from others. Are you buying the new things to please them...... or you? It's not necessary for you to justify your wants/purchases. It's only required that it makes YOU happy.

That's MY opinion. FWIW.

Walker
 
Frank, no job means no camera for now. I'm on the hunt and taking photos with the ones I have. I'm hoping that I'll get one soon so that I can save up again...I'm going to have to use what little money I had put back for the new camera I wanted to pay bills until I get a new job. 🙁
 
I'm really getting sick of having to justify to people, most of them people I've never met and people who have only seen a smattering of the total of my photography, why I want the gear that I want. To some people, no reason is good enough.

Stephanie, you don't have to justify to anybody why you do something a certain way. "Because I want to" is all the justification you need. What works for you may not work for somebody else, and vice versa.

I do understand your feeling and frustration. The net is full of personalities who seem to love to confront and intimidate. Remember, you don't have to "win", you don't have to have the last word. If they don't like what camera you have or how many cameras you have or what lens you use, or what film you use, that's their problem, not yours.

And again I'll echo the responses saying that we're very lucky to have such a great and (well, most of the time - LOL) mature crowd here. It's a refreshing break from most of the rest of the net. 🙂
 
This would not be a chat room for Leica users who buy $5000 worth of gear to take lousy pictures of bums on benches would it? Buy what you want. Figure out what works for you.
 
hey, I know exactly what you're saying, Stephanie.. I've seen your photos and I agree you need more/better gear 😉

j/k
 
While what everyone above has said is true, I would also remember that if I aksed for opinions I would most certainly get them. Of course, I don't know what chatroom this was, or what you were doing there, or indeed if you asked for anyone's opinion at all. So forgive me if I conclude wrongly. But if you did ask for opinions, did you seriously expect that everyone would concur with you and mirror your own thoughts? People can only see things from their own points of view (which might be fashioned by various events we have no knowledge of). Though everyone expects others to be able to see things from their angle, it is in truth extremely difficult (IMHO anyway).

I have often reacted in a similiar way when discussing with a friend(s) about equipment. There were at least a few times when this friend of mine gushed about some lens/camera or the other (you can guess which brand) just because of what it cost. I can assure you he had never seen the item, used it or even read much about it. I'm not being critical of the person himself, but the attitude that owning an object (lens) that costs thousands transforms you into something great was distasteful to me. I know that we often gush about equipment here (me included). But trust me, this was different. I might have expressed annoyance at that time. I guess part of the reason was that I was battling myself. Anyway, this is not what I usually do. I encourage my friends to separate themselves from their money 😀 , becuase then they can all be pleased that they have what they really want. Plus, as someone else pointed out, broke loves company 😀 .

Stephanie, don't get me wrong here. I'm just offering you a view as a dispassionate, external observer. All said and done, you only have to satisfy yourself. I have always felt that when we care enough, though we might ask opinions, we only do what we really want to, regardless of what others say.
 
Wow...so many great responses I couldn't pick just one to quote and add my two-cents to 😀. You know what you're doing, Stephanie, and if you do have a question I believe you will find sincere concern and advice here.

I use some odd-ball gear but it's not because I'm an idiot and didn't know better (it's in spite of the fact that I'm an idiot), and it is certainly not because someone over on Photo.net told me to. After more years than I care to acknowledge I've found what works for me...seems as though you are well on your way down that road yourself. To appropriately summarize this paste in all of the "opinions are like..." cliches you have already heard adnauseum 😉. Good luck with your decision!!!
 
Well, I can put it this way. I come from a family that didn't have much when I was growing up and we still don't have much. Spending a large amount of money on anything is a big decision that I have to really think out. I don't have a disposable income like some people do. I don't even have anything remotely resembling extra money and I never have. Saving the money for a camera means, for me, sacrificing something else so that I can actually get it. To me, though, it's worth having.

I mean, I have film hanging over my computer that I've developed with my own hands. I have 12 cameras in various states of repair and disrepair sitting in this room with me. I try and get good deals on film/development supplies so that I'm not spending too much money. It has been a relatively inexpensive hobby so far.

I'm still living at home for now and I may not have a chance again to get something, especially once I start school and I really AM broke. People need to understand that if I say I need something or want something, it has been a decision that I haven't come to lightly. Then again, most people just jump to conclusions.

I don't even want the most expensive stuff. It isn't like I want to go out and buy the newest Leica M with the newest lenses. I just want something good that I can use that didn't come from a thrift shop, that has a variety of lenses and accessories, and can allow me to at the very least start getting together the type of kit I need for the photography I want to do. It's kind of depressing when people try and put down your wants and desires that way.
 
BTW: If you can swing the M2, great. But if you are really strecthed out, a Canon 7 and lenses -like 3 or 4 lenses- will run about the same as that M2 body.
 
I'm thinking of going LTM mount now, really, if I decide to stick with 35mm, and going with a Canon 7. Perhaps someone can pull out another Canonator for me when it comes that time.

And of course I'll ask here first. What girl wouldn't with all you lovely people with WAY too much gear? 😛
 
Even a best friend can give you a funny face when you show him your newest acquisition. But who cares anyway. Every person on earth is an "idiot" in something, to quote the word of Honu-Hugger. My italian friend just bought his third jazz guitar (still having the other two!), and i can tell you, it cost him a truckload of money! My sister had about fifty pencils, while she was still painting!
 
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