Buying a Leica: How long did you dream about it?

I never lusted after Leica cameras. I had always used their microscopes and projectors though. I had an M3 with a 50mm lens in my camera collection but it barely got a look at. I was more into my Nikon rangefinders having a nice S, S2, S3 kit with a number of lenses. I dont use 50mm lenses much so the M3 hardly saw the light of day.

The thing that got me more into the Leica system was a particular lens not so much a camera. Strangely people get put off by the price of Leicas but the lens that got me in was one of the cheapest lenses bearing their name. I happened to get a CL on the cheap with a 40mm Summicron. The focal length just grabbed me in, I found I could use it for many things and was just far enough apart from another focal length I like the 28mm. I was astonished by the quality of this little lens. So I decided to get more lenses but I made one mistake and that was I assumed that the 40mm was a cheap CL lens that their other lenses (in pre-ASPH days) must be better. They were as good as the CL lens but not better until Leica started their latest generation of lenses. I even dug out the M3 but I preferred the compact nature of the CL. Then when I found the CLE, I could use my 40mm and 28mm and I havent ever seriously considered getting another M. The old M3 still in with a mix of other cameras in my collection.

I know many people who lusted after M and then were disappointed wth the reality of owning them. Rangefinders just arent for everyone and difficult for some SLR users to adjust to. Some expect miracle photos from Leicas only to find they dont deliver. You either see the subtle differences in your photos or you dont. Often its not even something you can put into words that you like about the look the lenses give you. THis is where friction is created between those that can see a subtle difference and those that dont and go forth and battle each other over the Leica myth.

I think waiting for your first M is a good thing. You can decide if its really for you. I would never recomend people buying a kit as I have seen many do. Just buy one lens and use it for a year and see what you think first before buying anymore stuff. Maybe even buy beat up but clean because I have seen the expense of buyers remorse of new stuff spoil their first Leica experience. The high cost doesnt always deliver high results. For me rather than be put off by the expense it was one of their cheapest lenses that drew me in. Still my favourite lens to this day.
 
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I don't know to which ranch do I belong, but in my case the question never was how long did I had to wait to have a Leica, but how long it will take me until I make my mind to wish having one. In fact two, as for me either I have two bodies or I have nothing.

Strangely as well, I never associated HCB with the Leica first and foremost but with his composition. And from the bottom of my heart I am not teasing but telling the truth.

Mistakenly, all my photographic life I associated the Leicas as something beyond any capability by me to own one (two in fact), as something belonging to the snobish upper class. It is just through the RFF and my practice with RFs that I am starting to appreciate the value of the Leica.

But I am still hesitating. Too much money. It simply doesn't correspond to my way of doing things to pay a tremendous amount of money for the ultimative thing. The ultimative thing has always been for me the challenge of doing a tremendous thing out of a basic start up. To grow up a flower in the desert. All these is just a reflection of the conditions under which I lived, don't take it as deliberate enlightment.

Nevertheless I do identify with the possesive feeling of touching or owning a legendary camera, a sort of perfect machine, so involucrated with the history and protagonists of photography.

Will I buy a Leica (two !), by the age of seventy, cursing then my own stupidity ? Perhaps. Therefore I need a young volunteer to remind me the following in twenty years from now:
I have heard that you can measure a picture by the rule of whether it enhances or diminishes the original strenght of the subject-matter. By this rule a Leica set up is too much a camera for my photographic skills.

Cheers,

Ruben
 
I had a major inheritance last year. Enough for me to buy a bigger home, without a mortgage. I won't be buying a Leica though. They are good cameras, I just don't think they're worth the price. As others have said, the best camera in the world is the one in your hands.
 
I did not really wait at all before I got one.

5 years later I got a Bessa T with a lens and used that combo for a year. Then I realized I wanted a second body (B&W and color without swapping films) so I went to the local shop to look at second hand offers (M2 and M3). Went home thinking and got back a week later to find the best working (without CLA) M2 they had and it also turned out to be the cheapest one (converts to around $500), as there were scratches and vulcanite damage. Got a shop warranty and the camera has worked flawlessly for about 4 years now without CLA.

So I did not really wait, I just went and got it when I felt I needed it. And it was not very expensive either (I think), probably thanks to the popularity of digital cameras.. 🙂

I still have no Leica lens though (apart from the Focotar on my V35). I came close a couple of months ago bidding at a real auction on an old rigid Summicron 50/2, but it went too high for my taste. I am considering either an ASPH 50/1.4, a 75/2 or an old Summicron (same era as my M2). But I have a hard time to make up my mind, and need to go careful on spendings at the moment, so I feel no immediate urge.

Some day when I know what Leica lens I want, I will get it.

/Håkan
 
Easy answer: too damn long!

For all I know, I live only once. And seeing myself laying waiting for death and thinking of the things I did not do, does not really appeal to me. So a couple of weeks ago I said "what the heck" and went off and bought a Leica. It only took me 8 years to get there (and about 20 other cameras in different formats). 😀

If it doesn't appeal to me in the long run - well, then I know and I'll move on. I can't really know without having tried it, seriously.
 
... Jimi: and you blinked with your eyes only once after posting your troubles with the IIIf and now you have an M4 coming to you!

8 years and 8 weeks?

I started out after many years using SLR with the Heliar 15. So small, impossible on a SLR.
It came with a Bessa L. Then I realised the meter in the Bessa was almost useless with the 15mm and I went to Zorki and FED. This must have been around 5 years ago.
After having used some for about a year and getting into (mostly) 50mm rangefinder lenses I came across a Leica M2 with 50mm Summicron DR. Relatively cheap but still quite a sum of money. Then GAS hit and the SLR got fewer and fewer use.
After discovering the Hexar I sold the M2.
Recently I got my IIf and am still awaiting a take-up spool to start using this little gem.
 
it all depends on how you look at it.

i had a new m4-p in 86. it was a gift.
sold it a few years later as i could not adjust to having no built in meter.

fast forward to a couple of months ago...
i decided i wanted an m3 and offered up a trade for some canon gear and later that night the deal was done.

no waiting other than shipping time.
 
I waited 39 years to get any camera at all.. then bought a DSLR.. found that too awkward.. started reading about Leicas and rangefinders.. found RFF maybe 6 months later.. bought a GSN a month after that, and within 6 months more, I had about 30 cameras.. not the least of which is an M3 with 3 Summicrons

so I guess the wait from when I decided I wanted an RF to actually getting a Leica was just over 6 months
 
ruben said:
I have heard that you can measure a picture by the rule of whether it enhances or diminishes the original strenght of the subject-matter. By this rule a Leica set up is too much a camera for my photographic skills.
That's surely one way of looking at it, Ruben! Another way is to consider that whatever your skills, they should not be inhibited by the quality of the equipment. This of course is very RFF compatible, as it leads to GAS! 😉
 
The stories here are very interesting. And it occurs to me that the assumption of the original question, and the trend of many/most of the replies, had one's photographic interest building up to the Leica as the recent and ultimate step.

My experience was different, as my Leica came relatively early in my photo interest, as a burst of enthusiasm for the hobby and maybe also driven by over-reading of Modern Photography. It had been preceded by a few simple view-finder cameras and the two Pentaxes, a Spotmatic and an H3. Both those Pentaxes were soon replaced with two others, so today the M2 is my earliest-acquired camera. There was a compact VF camera sequence after that, from Olympus PenD2 to 35RC to Minolta CLE, and I must admit the CLE has remained my favorite 35 RF to this day, recently graced with a 28 'cron and 40 Nokton.
 
I agree. These are all interesting stories. Good thread.

I learned about rangefinders accidentally. I got into photography while travelling in asia 6 years ago and was using an ok quality auto slr. As I travelled more I started looking for techniques and eqipment that assisted the sort of photography that I found myself making, street photos. It didn't take long to discover rangefinders and after a few months of justifying the expense I bought a Bessa R2.

A few months ago I walked into Adorama and looked at an MP on a lark. Leica was having a promo, free leicavit with purchase and the salesguy offered to knock off $400 from the list $$. Knowing that leica was raising prices on the 1st of Jan. (this was november) I bought it on impulse. After selling the leicavit it cost about the same as a lightly used one would have.

Here's the thing... I feel a little silly having it sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I love handling it, I can hold it a full 2 stops slower than I can the bessa and having one has definitely improved my photos. But at the end of the day it is really more of a vanity item than a tool I need. At my amateur level it is a little ridiculous to own such a tool. When I take photo classes, my bessa accompanies me so I don't show up with a better camera than the teacher. I still think it made sense to buy it at the time because of the rebate and discount. But I would probably recommend getting a used M2 or M6 for someone else in my position, especially now that they cost an easy $3500 instead of $2400.

On the other hand a new MP would last the rest of your life... 🙂
 
I've been an on-and-off Leica owner for years. I bought my first M3 back in 1978 and sold it a few years later when I was into Canon F-1's. Bought another M3 with 50 Summilux for a steal back in the mid-80's and sold it a few months later at a much higher price. My significant other dabbles in estate sales and found me an early production M3 that I still own today. I saw a new MP in early 2004 at a camera show and fell immediately in love. When a local camera store was selling all of their Leica gear at 10% less than invoice in late 2004, I bought the MP along with a 35mm Summicrom asph. Absolutely the finest camera I've ever owned and one that I use constantly.

Jim Bielecki
 
shaaktiman said:
Here's the thing... I feel a little silly having it sometimes. Don't get me wrong, I love handling it, I can hold it a full 2 stops slower than I can the bessa and having one has definitely improved my photos. But at the end of the day it is really more of a vanity item than a tool I need. At my amateur level it is a little ridiculous to own such a tool. When I take photo classes, my bessa accompanies me so I don't show up with a better camera than the teacher. I still think it made sense to buy it at the time because of the rebate and discount. But I would probably recommend getting a used M2 or M6 for someone else in my position, especially now that they cost an easy $3500 instead of $2400.

On the other hand a new MP would last the rest of your life... 🙂
I hear you on that; it can seem pretentious in some circumstances, and I too would tend to take something more modest to a photo class. Do you suppose that here's where brassing comes in, taking off the pretentiousness? And why some owners tape over the logos and names and such? 🙂
 
JoeFriday said:
I waited 39 years to get any camera at all.. then bought a DSLR.. found that too awkward.. started reading about Leicas and rangefinders.. found RFF maybe 6 months later.. bought a GSN a month after that, and within 6 months more, I had about 30 cameras.. not the least of which is an M3 with 3 Summicrons

so I guess the wait from when I decided I wanted an RF to actually getting a Leica was just over 6 months

never really wanted a Leica. I've always been a little wary of the gushing that accompanies the word. After about 2 yrs at RFF I had some GSN's, Lynx 14's , Olympus RC's, Kiev IV AM, Canonet. I'd fire two into a bag and take BW and colour film so I could shoot either. I was and still am very very happy with this situation. I don't have 30 cameras!

One day I saw a Leica M4-P and it went fast. Sub $700. I saw one about 4 months later a tad over the $700 but in the box and in a genuine "excellent" condition. I took it. That was 3 months back. I still haven't dropped my other cameras! The Leica is waiting patiently as RFFer's ask ... "what do you think?" " have you used it yet?" I have promised to upload the shots when I have a roll done.

When I've used it I may be a believer... I hope.
 
No doubt Leicas are today the best RF anyone can get if having enough money to buy it new. However I´m not waiting still for a Leica...

My story is a little bit different, and starts at two different dates: one in 1937, the other one in 1966, ending partially in 1982 and finally in 2005.
In 1966 we (my whole family) made a trip to Europe trying to find and visit both mom and dad´s families over there. During the trip my dad met a friend (an Argentine Navy Officer) who was the owner of a Contarex, and at that time my dad said: this camera is the best camera in the world. His friend said...ohhh your´e right but I still keep my old Contax...
Some months later, a schoolmate´s dad showed me his Contax III with a Sonnar 1.5 and I inmediately said: OMG!! I want this camera!!!
Three years later I had my first Leica in my hands, but the feeling wasn´t the same I had with the Contax.
In 1982 I got closer to a Contax buying a secondhand Kiev 4.
In 2005 I bought a Contax II made in 1937.

I don´t have any doubt about Leitz lenses and cameras quality, however I have what I wanted and it´s far better than what Iwould deserve as a photographer, then I´m at one with my cameras, so... why should I think of a Leica??
I have excellent cameras, which aren´t better than what I would allow them to show...

Besides... I was allways a Zeiss fan!!

Best regards!

Ernesto
 
I finished a masters recently, and along the way bought and sold my M system to pay bills. I bought back into the M around Sept. of last year after having waited for over a year since having sold my 1st system. I didn't have to wait long at all to buy my 1st kit since I had a nice job. At 1st, I was into a Canon 1N and a zoom and 50/1.4. I liked using the 50/1.4 and started to look at the Leica M. It was a few months later that I knew the Leica was for me. So some B&H orders later I had an M6 TTL and a 35 lux asph. Then a 75 lux. Then a noctilux. Well, needless to say waiting has its merits- you find out what the ideal kit is and don't end up wasting as much $$. So in a way, waiting is good! I've been waiting for about 6 months or so to get my next 75 lux or cron, which in a way is good since I can deliberate which one would be optimal. Heck, since I've been waiting the cron came into existence and became an option!
 
laptoprob said:
... Jimi: and you blinked with your eyes only once after posting your troubles with the IIIf and now you have an M4 coming to you!

Yeah... well, maybe it all goes downhill from here? "I need a lens, I need some filters, I need... blah, blah, blah" - don't we all know how bad (or good) it can get? 😀
 
I only have three camera brochures hanging in the wall in front of my desk. From more to less yellowed paper:

Chrome Nikon FM2n, black Nikon FM3a, black Nikon SP with 35/1.8.

None of them I own 🙂

The best part of dreams is to never allow them come true 😉
 
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