Check out the M-mount Leicas that KEH sells on Ebay from time to time. All the ones I've checked out so far had some chipped vulcanite, bright marks, scratches, dings, etc. Probably still within the "70%" condition that KEH quotes for Bargain condition cameras. Still, they don't appear to be the prettiest cameras in the world. Of course, you never really know until you buy from KEH.