Camera Battery Explodes at Airport = More Restrictions?
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PKR
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I don't doubt what you're saying. But, I did too, and got some bad memory. I think the battery market is as corrupt as the memory market. If the markings on the product look good, and the packaging looks legit. And, the price is the suggested retail, how are we to know. Without going into detail, I was surprised at the big name photo dealers who weren't on the SanDisk approved vendor list.
Years back, I bought 3 Nikon F3 HP bodies and 2 MD4 motors. I told my pal at NPS I was buying the gear. He said, no cameras with the Nikon USA markings had been shipped to the states yet. I told him that the big camera store in NYC assured me that they were Nikon USA Products and had USA warranty cards. He asked me to bring the gear to the Nikon office when it arrived. When it came, he and his boss ran all of the serial numbers and told me it was gray market gear. They asked for my invoices and took the camera gear. I paid about $1200 more than I should have for the gray market cameras. Nikon replaced the cameras and motors in a couple of weeks with valid hardware. I haven't done business with Adorama since. They asked me a couple of years back to buy from them. I recounted the story of my Nikon F3s and they said, "That was the past.. all's better now". The Nikon people told me they almost lost their dealership over my bad camera deal. I wouldn't buy memory or batteries from them..
Erase the dealer name if you must.
Best, pkr
Emile de Leon
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Put the batteries in lipo bags..will help in storage and shield from fires..
dmr
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I know we have some very with-it folks here and maybe someone can tell if these would be safe to fly. (They already have, actually.)
I got these from one of those street vendor stands. They were dirt cheap, but when I googled them they were actually rated highly. I know these have far more capacity than a smart phone battery and a bit more than the netbook battery.
Anybody know for sure if these are of the type that might spontaneously overheat or worse?
TIA!
DanskDynamit
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JoeLopez
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One battery explodes. Typical knee jerk hype America is so well known for.
sepiareverb
genius and moron
Yep. But the freedom to mow down innocents with a high capacity magazine is sacrosanct.
Bob Michaels
nobody special
My sister was in the Orlando airport waiting for a flight to Georgetown in the Bahamas when this happened. They evacuated everyone in the airport causing much confusion and delay.
When everything finally got resolved and all passengers back through security, her flight to Georgetown was delayed until the next day as they did not want to land there after dark. So she had to drive 2 1/2 hours home and back early the next morning. Then when they were finally coming into Georgetown, the flight crew found some problem that precluded them landing there so they turned around and flew to Miami for a new aircraft. She finally arrived in Georgetown more than 24 hours late.
JoeLopez
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I'm sure it caused confusion and a delay or two, many things can occur which cause an inconvenience such as that.
PKR
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I think it all began with this:
"The aircraft involved in the accident was a Boeing 747-400F, registered N571UP and was delivered to UPS Airlines in 2007.[5] It had flown for more than 10,000 hours, and had a major inspection performed in June 2010.[6] Before the crash, it was among the newest (#1,393 of 1,418; the 26th from the last)[7] Boeing 747s built before 747-8 series."
The captain was 48-year-old Douglas Lampe of Louisville, Kentucky, and the first officer was 38-year-old Matthew Bell from Sanford, Florida.[8] Both crew members were based in UPS's Anchorage, Alaska pilot base.[9]
"In October 2010, the FAA issued a Safety Alert for Operators highlighting the fact that the cargo on board Flight 6 contained a large quantity of lithium type batteries.[10] The FAA issued a restriction on the carrying of lithium batteries in bulk on passenger flights.[27]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6
"Lithium-ion batteries can still be shipped on cargo aircraft. At least two deadly cargo jet crashes have been blamed on fires caused by these batteries. A Boeing 747 crashed in Dubai killing two crew members in 2010. In 2011, an Asiana Airlines 747 crashed off South Korea, also killing two crew members."
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/23/news/companies/lithium-ion-battery-ban-airplanes/
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"The aircraft involved in the accident was a Boeing 747-400F, registered N571UP and was delivered to UPS Airlines in 2007.[5] It had flown for more than 10,000 hours, and had a major inspection performed in June 2010.[6] Before the crash, it was among the newest (#1,393 of 1,418; the 26th from the last)[7] Boeing 747s built before 747-8 series."
The captain was 48-year-old Douglas Lampe of Louisville, Kentucky, and the first officer was 38-year-old Matthew Bell from Sanford, Florida.[8] Both crew members were based in UPS's Anchorage, Alaska pilot base.[9]
"In October 2010, the FAA issued a Safety Alert for Operators highlighting the fact that the cargo on board Flight 6 contained a large quantity of lithium type batteries.[10] The FAA issued a restriction on the carrying of lithium batteries in bulk on passenger flights.[27]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6
"Lithium-ion batteries can still be shipped on cargo aircraft. At least two deadly cargo jet crashes have been blamed on fires caused by these batteries. A Boeing 747 crashed in Dubai killing two crew members in 2010. In 2011, an Asiana Airlines 747 crashed off South Korea, also killing two crew members."
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/23/news/companies/lithium-ion-battery-ban-airplanes/
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PKR
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From PetaPixel:
"Counterfeit accessories may not be equipped with safety mechanisms such as the protection device. When these counterfeit products are used or charged, the cameras performance may be sacrificed, or the products may be the cause of fire or explosion due to the generation of extreme heat or leakage. In the worst case, the camera may be damaged or people could be burned or otherwise injured. Therefore, from both a performance standpoint and a safety standpoint, only the use of genuine Nikon accessories, equipped with safety mechanisms including the protection device, with your Nikon digital camera is recommended. [#]"
Ebay and Amazon aren't the only sources of bogus Nikon gear as per my experience. I also think Canon, being even more popular than Nikon, is a big market for forged products. If you go to the link, you will see subtle differences in the labeling. Unless you have the real product and the fake, side by side, it might be tough to see any difference.
https://petapixel.com/2011/06/13/real-vs-counterfeit-nikon-accessories/
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"Counterfeit accessories may not be equipped with safety mechanisms such as the protection device. When these counterfeit products are used or charged, the cameras performance may be sacrificed, or the products may be the cause of fire or explosion due to the generation of extreme heat or leakage. In the worst case, the camera may be damaged or people could be burned or otherwise injured. Therefore, from both a performance standpoint and a safety standpoint, only the use of genuine Nikon accessories, equipped with safety mechanisms including the protection device, with your Nikon digital camera is recommended. [#]"
Ebay and Amazon aren't the only sources of bogus Nikon gear as per my experience. I also think Canon, being even more popular than Nikon, is a big market for forged products. If you go to the link, you will see subtle differences in the labeling. Unless you have the real product and the fake, side by side, it might be tough to see any difference.
https://petapixel.com/2011/06/13/real-vs-counterfeit-nikon-accessories/
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PKR
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"Don't Blame the Batteries For Every Lithium-Ion Explosion"
From Wired
"By nature, lithium-ion batteries are dangerous. Inside, the main line of defense against short circuiting is a thin and porous slip of polypropylene that keeps the electrodes from touching. If that separator is breached, the electrodes come in contact, and things get very hot very quickly. The batteries are also filled with a flammable electrolyte, one that can combust when it heats up, then really get going once oxygen hits it. Not scary enough? That liquid is mixed with a compound that can burn your skin."
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/dont-blame-batteries-every-lithium-ion-explosion/
At Least 17 Lithium-Ion Batteries Have Exploded On Planes This Year
"Many air travelers fly with multiple devices that use lithium-ion batteries: phones, laptops, tablets, e-readers, smartwatches, fitness band, and more. As these batteries have become so widely used, the number of incidents involving exploding lithium-ion batteries on planes also appears to be on the rise.
This is according to recently released data [PDF] from the Federal Aviation Administration showing that incidents involving lithium batteries stored both in the cargo area and passenger areas of a plane could be increasing.
In just the first four months of 2017, the FAA says it has received reports of 17 incidents in which devices with lithium-ion batteries caught fire, overheated, or smoked in airplanes.
Of these incidents, at least four occurred in the cargo or baggage hold area of the plane.
In a May incident, a box containing laptops fell to the ground, where it began to smoke and “produced a dangerous evolution of heat.”
The box, the FAA notes, continued a laptop computer with a 94 watt-hour lithium-ion battery installed in it.
In April, a ramp employee at Raleigh Durham Airport in North Carolina reported seeing smoke coming from a passenger’s bag. It was discovered to be coming from a lithium-ion battery in a camera.
Another April incident involved a gate checked bag containing rechargeable drill bits. According to the FAA, the drill bits shorted or arched when they came into contact with a wire bound notebook, catching the notebook on fire, while the bag was being loaded.
While the number of incidents involving lithium-ion batteries hasn’t yet surpassed the 31 episodes recorded in 2016, it could be on pace to do so, continuing a recent trend. According to the FAA data there were nine incidents involving the batteries in 2014, and 16 cases in 2015."
https://consumerist.com/2017/06/09/...-batteries-have-exploded-on-planes-this-year/
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From Wired
"By nature, lithium-ion batteries are dangerous. Inside, the main line of defense against short circuiting is a thin and porous slip of polypropylene that keeps the electrodes from touching. If that separator is breached, the electrodes come in contact, and things get very hot very quickly. The batteries are also filled with a flammable electrolyte, one that can combust when it heats up, then really get going once oxygen hits it. Not scary enough? That liquid is mixed with a compound that can burn your skin."
https://www.wired.com/2017/03/dont-blame-batteries-every-lithium-ion-explosion/
At Least 17 Lithium-Ion Batteries Have Exploded On Planes This Year
"Many air travelers fly with multiple devices that use lithium-ion batteries: phones, laptops, tablets, e-readers, smartwatches, fitness band, and more. As these batteries have become so widely used, the number of incidents involving exploding lithium-ion batteries on planes also appears to be on the rise.
This is according to recently released data [PDF] from the Federal Aviation Administration showing that incidents involving lithium batteries stored both in the cargo area and passenger areas of a plane could be increasing.
In just the first four months of 2017, the FAA says it has received reports of 17 incidents in which devices with lithium-ion batteries caught fire, overheated, or smoked in airplanes.
Of these incidents, at least four occurred in the cargo or baggage hold area of the plane.
In a May incident, a box containing laptops fell to the ground, where it began to smoke and “produced a dangerous evolution of heat.”
The box, the FAA notes, continued a laptop computer with a 94 watt-hour lithium-ion battery installed in it.
In April, a ramp employee at Raleigh Durham Airport in North Carolina reported seeing smoke coming from a passenger’s bag. It was discovered to be coming from a lithium-ion battery in a camera.
Another April incident involved a gate checked bag containing rechargeable drill bits. According to the FAA, the drill bits shorted or arched when they came into contact with a wire bound notebook, catching the notebook on fire, while the bag was being loaded.
While the number of incidents involving lithium-ion batteries hasn’t yet surpassed the 31 episodes recorded in 2016, it could be on pace to do so, continuing a recent trend. According to the FAA data there were nine incidents involving the batteries in 2014, and 16 cases in 2015."
https://consumerist.com/2017/06/09/...-batteries-have-exploded-on-planes-this-year/
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PKR
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Stephen; I'm curious to know the camera brand. My only experience with MF digital is Phase One P25. And, just the digital back, not their camera.
If you can elaborate on the circumstances (high frame rate, etc.) it would be of interest. I spent a couple of hours looking for reports of pro camera battery injuries and, found little info.
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