Camera Painting By Shintaro

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I want to have one of my screw mount Leica's re-painted, most likely glossy black. I've heard of Shintaro in Japan and know he appears to be one of the better individuals to do the job. I'm here in the U.S. and to my knowledge most of the best specialists are not in this country.

Any opinions or better, does anyone own a re-painted camera they could post a picture of?

Thanks,
Steve
 
This is my Shintaro M4, sold on this board.

He did a great job, took around 10 weeks, but I've hear he's taking much longer than that now.

Peter at CRR is a great technician, altho presonally his paint jobs look a little matte to me. Malcom Taylor, also in the UK, also does black paint finishes. Check out this board, too, one member did an absolutely stunning job on his own screwmount, using paint designed for firearms.

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I already own a Black Leica M3 that I purchased off of rBay. The seller stated it was glossy but it was hard to tell by with the photo's he included. I bought the camera and when it arrived it had a matte black finish, not glossy. The seller said he would refund it if I wanted to but it really didn't look bad, so I kept it.
Now, for sure I want a Glossy Black camera and thought a screw mount would look pretty cool.

Thanks for your shot. Your camera looks sweet.

Steve
 
I tried refreshing but nothing happened. I did however click on the link. That's a nice camera and a great job.
A few years ago a member of one of the Russian Camera Collectors groups also started re-painting his equipment. I don't recall what type of paint he used but once he had his "formula" down he produced some nice looking pieces, especially a few in gray 'ala Luftwauffe finish.

Has Mike produced more?
 
NIKON KIU said:
Be aware that Shintaro may take over a year to finish.

Kiu

Indeed. Reports here on RFF indicate he's taking his very sweet time to get anything done. The job may be excellent, the cost is that too. And for that cost you'd expect a faster tturn-over time. Not the months on months on months he takes, without informing you and also replying slowly if at all. If it were me, I'd stay away from him until he gets his agenda in order.
 
RML said:
Indeed. Reports here on RFF indicate he's taking his very sweet time to get anything done. The job may be excellent, the cost is that too. And for that cost you'd expect a faster tturn-over time. Not the months on months on months he takes, without informing you and also replying slowly if at all. If it were me, I'd stay away from him until he gets his agenda in order.

I couldn't agree more...

It should never take as long as he takes..
 
Well, I must admit it has been three days since I emailed him and still have not heard a word. It's not as though this body is the only one I have, there's no real rush, BUT.....when I email and it takes forever to get back to me......there's the rub!!

Good to know info. Who would you say is a good #2?
 
One of the LUG members had an absolute horror story about Shintaro about a year ago-the latter painted the Leica the wrong color and refused to repaint it. Several other members chimed in w/ disappointing stories too. I'd stay away from him if I were you, but it's your $$$.
 
Peter Grisaffi at CRR Luton does excellent, timely work. Here is a IIIf he did for me a few years ago.
 

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I sent the M3 (the one in my avatar) to Shintaro back in 1999; email correspondence was few and far between for several months. By chance I ended up going to Tokyo on business and I suspect that is what spurred him to get the job finished as I told him I'd was coming by to pick it up. 🙂 He transformed what was a dented user M3 into a masterpiece.
 
I own six Shintaro rangefinder repaints, all superbly done, all as good or even better in my opinion than original factory counterparts: 4 Leicas, 1 Nikon, 1 Canon. The first was a custom blue Leica M2 done for Tom A, made to match an almost unknown batch of special order blue / grey M2's made for the US Army.
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The LHSA hammertone MP is an imperfect copy of Shintaro's hammertone. Leica was supposed to copy the finish on a Tom A's Shintaro hammertone, but got the color a bit too green.

Shintaro refinished the other cameras for me within a turnaround of 3 to 4 months.

I met Shintaro when Tom A introduced me in Tokyo, before we went on to the Cosina factory visit with Mr. K. Shintaro keeps very busy as a working Tokyo studio photographer. His emails are not always quick to return, but his repainted cameras are outstanding!

Stephen
 
Steve,

mikepry`s work is really good, it looks very close to the factory style of paint jobs back in the 1950`s

I`m planning to do a stepped rewind platform camera in black sometime, but alas all the cameras I buy are too nice to strip down to bare brass..... so I`m still searching for a really worn looking camera in the 392xxx to 397xxx serial number series IIIC

Tom

wow! now that`s patina 😀

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Elliott Erwitt's Leica
 
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if i can comment. i've had a number of things resurfaced in the photographic arena and i've found two things. if you're game to disassemble your own unit you can have the exposed metal parts plate-stripped, as many if not most are plated in some form of chrome coating then just surface finished. they are plated to prevent non-ferrous metal oxidising and growing from your contact body fluids. i have noticed some of the FSU units have a bit of "greening" on the used components.

some options are: Black Chrome plating, which is a very specific kind of metal finish but it may be hard to find black chromers. myth has it that black chrome was developed by an irate sacked chrome plating employee who, at the end of his last shift on the last day of his employ, added a full load of his own urine into the plating solution at the end of the production day. the next day the uric acid produced the black effect. not sure of the truth of this but i was told this some 25 years ago and makes for a great story. but black chrome is a stunner and i have used it on metal globe-reflectors in the studio. expensive.

the next option is to have the outer surface of your metal components powdercoated. this takes a few months to really cure after you get it back but it is a hard wearing surface, if not a bit spongy looking. but you can coordinate with your favorite red shooting socks. i have had studio equipment, ie tripods, light stands, etc, powdercoated to keep the look fresh for some clients and at trade exhibitions where impact is the eye-catcher. tacky at best, though, if you have no colour sense...

the last is automotive paint duco treatment, or baked enamelling, as it may be called. most auto re-sprayers will do this as part of a colour run on your metallic gold Pinto job but you have to prepare the raw metal surface yourself otherwise they just spray on top of what you have.. this wears well and your choice of colours is endless, as with powdercoating. i have had some studio equipment re-duco'd, as in reflectors and stand legs, etc.

but at the end of it all you have to reassemble the cameras, or whatever, yourself. any paint or colour treatment must be cleaned from the inside of your machine before re-assembly, as you would expect.

while i have had studio equipment re-coloured, never a camera. i like the gray hammertone look of one of the Ms on CameraQuest's site and have thought about trying the powdercoating angle on the lid and base of one of my older units, maybe one of the FSUs which are more "disposable" than the Voights or Leicas. now i'll cop crap from the FSU-ers out there..... no disrespect..just a dollar-related comment. and i think a purple rainbow FED would be a stunner, eh but?

right now, though, i'm enjoying my new gray R2A. easy to find in the bag.

cheers,

daniel
 
The black chrome story ought to be a good topic for the Mythbuster program guys on Discovery Channel!!!

Black Teflon is often used on guns--many gunsmiths can apply it. PVD as used on watches, etc. is an option too-but I couldn't find anyone in the USA who will take it on. How about DuPont Imron-a pretty tough auto/ truck paint?

BTW-there is a guy here in Korea who does a fine painting job like Shintaro for about $600 according to my expert repairman in Seoul. I'd try him on my Model Ps if I wasn't so tight w/ money.

Bill

P.S. I',m willing to bet a large sum that SG got VIP service from Shintaro. The rest of us mere mortals would get far less or NO service from him as far as I've heard.
 
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Two rather poor pictures of a black IIIC painted by Peter at CRR (UK) for me. Job took 4-6 weeks and I am very happy with the results. Obviously it is best that the camera has few dents and that the finish of the knobs etc is in good condition.







(No connection other than as a satisfied customer)

Quite what one would do about duties etc., I do not know but I assume one could get some sort of temporary import license.

Michael
 
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