cameraquest getting ripped again

Well, I hope that it sells for an astronomically high price so that Mr. Gandy can (after registering his photo with the government), recover statutory damages, his loss, and/or the seller's profit on the theory that the high price was due to the unauthorized use of a photograph for which he owns the copyright.
 
julianphotoart said:
Well, I hope that it sells for an astronomically high price so that Mr. Gandy can (after registering his photo with the government), recover statutory damages, his loss, and/or the seller's profit on the theory that the high price was due to the unauthorized use of a photograph for which he owns the copyright.
😀 yeah I like that Idea too, either that or sold for the current $104.50 price

OR we could bid the snot out of it 😱 😀 😱
 
julianphotoart said:
Well, I hope that it sells for an astronomically high price so that Mr. Gandy can (after registering his photo with the government), recover statutory damages, his loss, and/or the seller's profit on the theory that the high price was due to the unauthorized use of a photograph for which he owns the copyright.

Counsellor,

I beleive you are a member of the bar and thus carefully consider your legal advice?

The image has been used in the public domain for many years now without attribution or challenge thereof.

Amongst other venues, it is regularly used as the cover image of the NHS journal. Perhaps it even has its origin there?

I might suggest, although I cannot claim as a matter of fact, that the image has become "iconic" and anyone claiming to the legal ownership to the rights thereof is now subject to a counterclaim of laches?
 
copake_ham said:
Counsellor,


The image has been used in the public domain for many years now without attribution or challenge thereof.

Amongst other venues, it is regularly used as the cover image of the NHS journal. Perhaps it even has its origin there?

I might suggest, although I cannot claim as a matter of fact, that the image has become "iconic" and anyone claiming to the legal ownership to the rights thereof is now subject to a counterclaim of laches?



1) the image ripped off my site and in that auction has NEVER been in the public domain

2) IF you really believe a Voigtlander Bessa R2 with a 50/2 Summicon looks the same as the Nikon SP with 50/1.1 Nikkor that is on the front of the Nikon Historical Society Journal, you BADLY need your eyes checked, and / or a course in rangefinder cameras.

Stephen Gandy
one of the original NHS members
 
Stephen,

I stand corrected, and apologize. We've done business together - and I hope to do so again.

But you then have to protect your copyright.

Do a Google check. Becasue your "image" appears on many "hits".
 
Bad feedback, poor description, obviously not his photo... only a moron would bid on that.
 
jan normandale said:
Just wondering George, why you do these things to sponsors?

Jan,

I don't "DO" things to sponsors. And if Stephen checks his invoices he will realize that I have bought from him a Bessa R2S, a Voightlander Lightmeter, 3 VC lenses, 1 28mm viewfinder, a Voightlander halfcase, a Voightlander strap...

What have you bought from Stephen?

EDIT: Gosh Dam...it!!!
 
copake_ham said:
Stephen,

I stand corrected, and apologize. We've done business together - and I hope to do so again.

But you then have to protect your copyright.

Do a Google check. Becasue your "image" appears on many "hits".


No problem George. It's all too easy to get involved in a thread and make a mistake in posting.

I just get testy when I see my pics in other people's auctions.

Thanks,

Stephen
 
Since this is a photo-related site, if anyone is generally wondering about copyright protection, it's straightforward these days. Since this has come up in this thread, I'll bore you a bit.

For folks in the U.S., as long as the visual work (i.e. photo) was created and "fixed" (no, I don't mean fixed with fixer) in physical form after 1989, copyright protection is automatic (i.e., for protection, no need to file anything with the government -- that's important though when you want to sue). Anyway, copyright arises once the photo physically exists. Under the 1976 Act, which is the one we work under today, one need not worry about a photo falling into the "public domain" until the copyright period ends (that's a long time). The only other time these days that the issue of "public domain" arises is when one is dealing with disputes where the 1909 Act still applies. That's not the case with Mr. Gandy's photo for instance.

So here are a few little quotes on this topic, from the U.S. Copyright Office of all places:

"Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is 'created' when it is fixed in a copy...for the first time. 'Copies' are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm."

"The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright."

"The use of a copyright notice is no longer required under U. S. law, although it is often beneficial. Because prior law did contain such a requirement, however, the use of notice is still relevant to the copyright status of older works....Notice was required under the 1976 Copyright Act. This requirement was eliminated when the United States adhered to the Berne Convention, effective March 1, 1989." (that's where the post-1989 reference comes from).

The most common defense to infringement is "fair use". 17 U.S.C. 107 states, for example: "....the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright."

Aside from "fair use", there's also "innocent infringement": As in, gosh, I had no idea that was YOUR photo of an R2, despite it being on your very nicely put-together web-site that I visit all the time and steal photos from.

For Canadians who (unlike me) still reside in Canada, copyright protection in Canada is basically the same as the U.S., if not broader (at least from the author's' perspective). Canada recognizes "moral rights" as well as those rights enumerated by the Copyright Act. Copyright protection is automatic once the work is in physical form. The Canadian version of "fair use" is "fair dealing". There's also a specific defence for "acts undertaken without motive of gain."

This guy who violated Mr. Gandy's copyright was not making "fair use" of the photo.

For everyone else, I have no idea!


Julian
[E&OE]
 
copake_ham said:
Jan,

I don't "DO" things to sponsors. And if Stephen checks his invoices he will realize that I have bought from him a Bessa R2S, a Voightlander Lightmeter, 3 VC lenses, 1 28mm viewfinder, a Voightlander halfcase, a Voightlander strap...

What have you bought from Stephen?

EDIT: Gosh Dam...it!!!

In my opinion checking facts would improve your credibility. What you and I personally spend has nothing to do with what you wrote.
 
Julian said:
for protection, no need to file anything with the government -- that's important though when you want to sue
Here is advice for poor man copyright protection I read elsewhere. It should be enough to prove your right in a courtroom.
When you created pictures/website/etc. burn it on CD or DVD, go to local post office and send it to yourself (you have to spend 52c postage in Canada plus a few cents for bubble envelope). Keep receipt with data/time together with envelope in vault till time you decide to go in court for protection.
Eduard.
 
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