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John K
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This is just a question and I am not implying anything. Why is it new menbers with 1-2 3- 4 post are always trying to sell high dollar cameras Leicas or such, not 20-30 canonets or Minoltas? Is there a pattern to this? With people joining up just to use the classified page.
 
I am a new guy here also so maybe I am sticking an orr in. Just wondered what people thought of someone with say 3 or 4 post listing a 1000 0r 1500 dollar camera. Maybe I am just brain washed by all the scams around. I had a MGB on ebay and got some lovely offers about combinded shipping and sending the exta back to the agent for the buyer.
 
Seems that lately, we are even attracting used equipment brokers to become "members" for this reason.
 
and the smart thing to do is...proceed with caution!

i will not buy a high ticket item from an unknown person.
nor will i buy it from an unknown ebayer either.

continue to be polite and welcoming, it doesn't really hurt right?

jorge and i are watching, believe me.

joe
 
I am relatively "new" compared with some of those with 4 digit post counts . . . . !

But, I do believe that some people will take advantage of an easy target. Some sellers that are chased away from Ebay or can't sell high ticket items there, or that know they will be caught if they try anything shady, will seek other places where the controls are few. RFF just might be a target for that sort of shadiness. But RFF should not have to put controls in place either - it just should not ever become a problem. Here, trust and familiarity are key in such deals. I have made one trade on RFF and it went through very smoothly, and it was a good trade for both of us. So I do have some experience with this angle of the RFF thing.

But. . . if you are a newbie and want to sell someting pricey (or even just a stick of gum), maybe setting up an auction at one of those sites (*) is a good idea, then you can advertise to members here, but asking people to make deals without any decent protection is just bad form, especially when your identity is nothing more than a username and a sentence intro.

The social system here depends on some degree of ambient and mutual familiarity and trust and the sense that everyone here has an identity defined by lots of posts about different things. Someone that joins and immediately wants to sell something high priced is obviously here for that purpose - though they may discover that they like it here for REAL reasons and decide to stay. Sure, there are lurkers. I was a lurker for a couple of weeks, but I would not have tried to sell something without gaining some place in the RFF society first. It is just good manners. Good business.

This should not be a snooty place, but just imagine it this way :

There is a very tight-nit group of car lovers that gather every weekend to play with eachother's Ferraris and Porches. They have been doing this for months or years and have relationships with eachother on different levels. About 8 months into it, when everyone has come to know everyone else, or at least is aware of who everyone is, a new guy shows up and the first thing he says is "Hey, now THAT is a nice Modena. Mind if I take it for a spin?" That would be shockingly inappropriate - but the guy would probably find a more open armed acceptance of his request had he been interacting with the members for a few weeks or months and given them a sense of who he is. That is why people shake hands, why they demand that you keep your hands above the table in card games, don't go to a business meeting wearing dark sunglasses, etc.

With the camera lust in the air around here, we are sitting ducks for potential shadiness. Social strength built through conversation is the only source of unity or security that we have, and that should be something that we take seriously. I know that some people around here don't have the money to simply lose on a Leica M6 that never arrives, and it would be a shame to leave the doors open for shadiness to crawl in.

NOW, I am not saying that anyone is shady right now. As far as I know, nothing like that has happened yet (at least not a huge sale) - though maybe it has. But all I mean to say is that it would be sad for things to get sketchy because of a few dark deals, and for the open trading and selling to gain an air of unpleasant distrust.

***Bottom line, though, is to be accepting, as the other responders have said. Maintaining a message of welcome to wanderers by or even first timers trying to sell something is better than putting up a closed sign or turning people away with sharp tongues. But everyone should be careful too. Careful and polite. And sincere.

just a week of posting would make a difference if you seek to sell something as a newbie. Having a website or something that adds dimension to your identity is also a good idea. When I first joined, I gave my web address and email to the roster immediately.

Speaking of that, my E*bay username is GWMPHOTO for anyone that browses that site occasionally, and I am selling my LF gear to pay for the RF645 that I just bought from Robert White last night.

Listing numbers 7567424577 and 7567433701

The camera is a great deal, obviously, and so it the lens (not as great but still pretty good). I just need to sell these since i actually got a new cred it card to buy the RF645. :bang:

😎
 
Hey Shutterflower.. excellent post. Somehow the common courtesies of "real-life" interactions are lost in our "virtual" communication. I don't know why these sellers would expect a different reaction than in your car club example.

BTW, I just bought your Cambo 4x5 😀 Catch ya on the 'Bay!
 
Hi, I'm new... I registered today and immediately tried to buy something from the Classifieds section 🙂

FWIW, I run another forum (that is not about photography at all), and this issue has come up. I think it's the same as you would do in real life -- you tend to trust someone that you "know," and you *should* tend not to trust someone that you don't.

A concrete suggestion I have would be to have a separate "Commercial advertisements" section. This allows people who sell for profit but do not want to take the step of becoming a sponsor a legitimate outlet. You will still get non-commercial people who do not participate in the community except to sell gear, and I think it's something that is just part of what a forum is.

JohnR

PS. My thanks to the founders and members of this forum. Since two days ago, I am now a film photographer (hah!) again 🙂
 
Nothing prevents an unknown seller from shipping the item before payment. When bought by an RFF regular, the sale price may even be higher due to the enhanced degree of trust.
 
Gipsy said:
How long do you need to be a member? How many post are enough?
Do you honestly think that earning people's trust is simply a matter of length of time or number of posts? If so, you might as well go ahead and post whatever you want to sell right now. Why wait?
 
How long do you need to be a member? How many post are enough?
In my case, until everyone knows me and hates me and sees multiple images of me. In your case, until people see you as a familar member. 😎
 
If I'm in my local bar and a guy I have seen there often and chatted with and he seems to have friends tells me he's selling a mobile phone I may be interested.

But if somebody walks in through the door who I've never seen before?
 
shutterflower said:
***Bottom line, though, is to be accepting, as the other responders have said. Maintaining a message of welcome to wanderers by or even first timers trying to sell something is better than putting up a closed sign or turning people away with sharp tongues. But everyone should be careful too. Careful and polite. And sincere.
Very good points. As the Great Communicator said, "trust, but verify."
 
Gipsy said:
How long do you need to be a member? How many post are enough?

I suspect this is a rhetorical question. 🙂 Gypsy would be well aware that it's the quality of the interchange, and the things we share, that builds a relationship.


I can see the new member/seller's point of view, too. Imagine you have some gear to sell, and know just enough about it to know that it's not mainstream, and with a bit of research you've discovered that the people most likely to want it, and want to use it, gather in a place called the Rangefinder Forum. Of course you can put the gear on ebay, but you'd rather see it go to someone who will appreciate it, and be prepared to pay a fair price. I'm certainly happy to see it offered here, where it might find a good home and be put to good use. Of course, that doesn't mean I'll automatically trust a newcomer offering high-ticket items. I still have to do my homework and make my own decisions about risk - and that applies to trading with long-standing members! I'd say about 99.9% of the members are well aware of this too!

Finally - I'd rather this forum was not treated merely as a feeding ground by those who make a living from trading. I've nothing against someone making a living that way, but for me the spirit of this place lies in members sharing information about rangefinder cameras and their use, and the types of images rangefinder cameras can record. Trading amongst members is a bonus. Many of us have bought and sold here at prices well below the market price, simply for the pleasure of passing on a good deal to a friend.
 
back alley said:
continue to be polite and welcoming, it doesn't really hurt right?

jorge and i are watching, believe me.

joe

Thank you Joe, I think these are the two most important things to remember. If you are not interested or trusting, that is perfectly alright, move on to the next post. Hopefully, whether or not the item sells, the new person will become part of the gang.

I will be honest, I am not trusting enough to enter into a transaction with someone I don't recognize. Only do what you are comfortable with regardless of what the opportunity is.
 
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Greetings,

I've been here a relatively short time and have been impressed overall with the interchange of info and opinions of the other members. After getting a Bessa R I decided to start selling off some of my FSU stuff and posted two items in the classifieds. The buyers paid promptly and I took a leap of faith and mailed out the cameras while payment was in transit. I've also bought a couple of things here and had some parts sent to me for free by another member to repair a Konica S2. I've taken the position that unless proven otherwise I'll put trust in the members here to follow through, this is a great bunch of folks.

Later,
Greg
 
I just can't imagine joining a sight for rangefinders then turn right around and sell a M6 or an MP.. Kinda defeats the purpose...
 
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