Camerastore tv just posted - dp2 Quattro

I shoot my dp2m all the time w/o a tripod. Yes if u want the ultimate a tripod should be used, but that can be said of every other camera. I have a rrs grip. The extra weight helps in terms of dampening any moment.. The new Quattro..I don't think can ever have an third party grip though. I agree that 200 is the best iso.. This is my default iso for color. I have no problem bumping it up to 400 though. To me iso 400 is the edge of acceptable I would go w/ color, but for b&w, one can go 800 and even as high as 3200 (by playing the blue channel game).

Batch processing the raws was not mentioned.. Makes the long processing a lot easier..go do something else while that is happening.

I batch process about 16 raws at a time. I import into Aperture for my final photo editing. I also noticed no mention of the new remote shutter release (I think USB cable)...I guess not available yet.

That being said, I am happy the new Quattro is doing much better in high is for color then before. Right now I have backed off upgrading to the Quattro myself due to some of the weird color issues I have seen and a particular b&w issue w/ yellow characters on a light blue background. I suspect that these will be fixed eventually via changes in spp or fw algo. I will wait it out.

I agree w/ him about the awkwardness of the new grip. I think one will either come to hate it or adapt.

Gary

Ps.. Tell him keep up the good work.
 
I just don't care about the issues Chris raises on TCS video. He is right about them (for the most part) but if you want high IQ at a relatively low price, Sigma is a great choice. I have the Merrill cameras and I am fine with ISO 400. If I need higher, I use a Fuji X-Trans camera. I understand the slow processing and have learned to accept. The short battery life doesn't even both me - I just bought more batteries.
For me, the Quattro camera makes too many compromises. Te IQ does not seem to be as good the Merrills and the processing isn't that much better. ISO is maybe a stop higher with the Quattro but not enough to encourage me to buy one.
Give me all of the Merrill quirks and IQ any day over the Quattro.
 
I'm going through this video review and editing as I go along:
--I am only a little ways into the review, but the amount of DP and DP Merrill bashing has me already tuning out.

--What is this about not being able to shoot handheld without image stabilization? The shutter has a good thwack!? Doesn't this have a leaf shutter like the Merrills? (This guy sounds like he is outright lying, here).

--He's complaining about the DP2Q's macro ability? And no mention of the DP3Q? This becoming a bit of outright defamation if you ask me. Misinformation.

--He is arguing that the DP2Q has a 20mp bayer equivalent detail, and that they Merrills had 24-30mp bayer equivalent detail? My Merrills are nearly as detailed and sharp as my A7R. The DP2Q samples are MORE detailed than the Merrills, but perhaps with less micro detail. 20 is way too low an estimate for the Q (based on what samples I've seen).

--The Merrills can "only go to 200 [ISO] max"? I have gotten good colour images from 400 and even 800iso. 400iso is consistently good. 1600iso for BW images.

--"Keep in mind, compared to the rest of the industry, this is still bull****." -when talking about iso and long exposure performance, after stating it is quite good and clean. Does he understand the technology of these cameras? Does he have a personal vendetta against Sigma? He sounded out of control and upset when he said "bull****." Really unprofessional.

--3fps burst is "2008". A7R is only doing 5fps. What's this guy's deal.

--He's complaining about processing/playback delay. It's honestly pretty quick-seeming. Not too far off the A7R.

--The iMac he is using is not very modern. It's soon to be two generations old, and using internal components that are mostly laptop spec. No offense meant--it's a good computer, but it was never a powerhouse (even new). To be fair, that does seem unreasonably slow compared to my SPP5 Merrill processing.

--He is comparing the DP2Q to a DP1M? He said 28mm lens. Does he mean equivalent? Or is he using an SD1M? Really casual review type stuff, need more technical information.

--Without having compared the cameras myself, I can't say for certain...but he thinks the Merrill is sharper, but the Quattro has a more pleasing tonality? I've made the exact opposite conclusion by viewing comparisons online. Isn't that the general consensus amongst forum members and reviewers so far? I'll no for certain if I ever get the chance to test a copy.

And I like this guy and his reviews usually, but why does he pronounce ISO as if it were a word and the acronym that it is. Anyway, he calls the camera a success in the end. Which, eh. Pretty weird review. And for the record, I can grab easier street photos with the Merrill series than my A7R (because of focusing speed, shutter sound, and shutter lag).
 
I guess if it's a shytty camera, it's a shytty camera.He's giving his views on the camera. If you don't like it, make your own video. He's bashed cameras from every other camera maker since he's been doing his videos.
 
photo_fred said:
I guess if it's a shytty camera, it's a shytty camera.He's giving his views on the camera. If you don't like it, make your own video. He's bashed cameras from every other camera maker since he's been doing his videos.
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I'm allowed to point out misleading information; this is a thread about a video review in a camera forum (I'm even allowed to share my opinion). I've seen other videos from this reviewer before, and I've never seen him project the ugly attitude witnessed in parts of the DP2Q review. It was a bad review, and worse: it offered an inaccurate assessment of the DP2 Merrill.
 
If people look at the review the same outfit did of the DP2 Merrill, you will see that there is another person included, and the main guy in the Quattro video is playing devil's advocate against the Merrill and the guest who uses it. It's actually quite humorous in places, and has a fair amount of tongue in cheek comments.

Maybe the Camera Store guy made a mistake by continuing the same tongue in cheek approach. In fact, based on the comments here, it obviously didn't work unless you knew the previous review of the Merrill.

Suggestion- find the review of the Merrill by the same store, then look at the Quattro one.
 
Buried in his own hyperbole ... that's a very crappy review of a damned decent camera.

Normally this guy doesn't bother me but he's really missed the mark here IMO.

I may have just moved on to an M240 for focusing reasons, image quality 'approaching' the Merrills and a desire to return to RF photography but I still rate Sigma as one of the world's most innovative camera and lens manufacturers ... he's just proven how main stream he is in his tastes and attitudes.
 
I'll reiterate: is anyone else seriously bothered by the claim that the shutter gives a good "thwack" and therefore is not suited to handheld photography? This camera has a leaf shutter, no? Is he simply lying?
 
Is anyone being serious when relating reviews to real cameras? To me reviews are separate genre on its own like corner speeches. 10 reviewers can claim camera is outstanding but someone just isn't bounding to it. And same 10 authorities can claim camera as shytti but someone finds it just perfect for his needs. I agree this guys are kind of artists, speech or internet video artists but Holy Byte, I wouldn't use this reviews when deciding on camera.

When horse comes to river, does it needs reviews how good or bad is water? It for sure knows if this particular water is good or is not.
 
I think over all it was a positive review but he does talk some sh!te .... particularly the comment about the 'thwack' from the shutter. He really showed his ignorance there!

These Sigmas are all about image quality and being able to work within parameters ... that part he got right. 🙂
 
OK, try this- he makes a comment about the thwack from the shutter. Then he says 'Listen!' And then you hear...... nothing. Nada. No thwack, no Leica 'snick,' no Hasselblad 'thunk,' no crickets chirping, nothing. Nada. Did you hear me, not a thing to be heard.

You think, just maybe, he was joking? Hmmm? Maybe? Huh, kidding around? Like, say, maybe much of what he reviews are DSLRs because that's where the money is for a store like his. I bet he does bursts on reports of DSLRs. And then this Sigma camera has NO MIRROR to bounce around, just a little leaf shutter and makes almost no noise.

Geez, people, it's a video review by a guy who loves irony and sarcasm. Maybe people need to stay up late one night and see this thing that's been on TV for a bit now. It's called 'The David Letterman Show,' and it's popular among the kids I hear..... Lighten up, it's just one person playing with one camera. And irony and sarcasm, hate to tell you but it's here to stay. You might want to learn to recognize it.
 
Dan Daniel said:
OK, try this- he makes a comment about the thwack from the shutter. Then he says 'Listen!' And then you hear...... nothing. Nada. No thwack, no Leica 'snick,' no Hasselblad 'thunk,' no crickets chirping, nothing. Nada. Did you hear me, not a thing to be heard.

You think, just maybe, he was joking? Hmmm? Maybe? Huh, kidding around? Like, say, maybe much of what he reviews are DSLRs because that's where the money is for a store like his. I bet he does bursts on reports of DSLRs. And then this Sigma camera has NO MIRROR to bounce around, just a little leaf shutter and makes almost no noise.

Geez, people, it's a video review by a guy who loves irony and sarcasm. Maybe people need to stay up late one night and see this thing that's been on TV for a bit now. It's called 'The David Letterman Show,' and it's popular among the kids I hear..... Lighten up, it's just one person playing with one camera. And irony and sarcasm, hate to tell you but it's here to stay. You might want to learn to recognize it.
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I don't get the tripod thing, I shoot ISO 50 film hand held easy enough, not sure why ISO 100 on digital is so hard. Sure for ultimate stability and shake free results, you'd put any camera on a tripod, but I don't get why Sigmas are singled out for it.
 
My thoughts exactly.. Any camera can benefit from a tripod...why make a point of it.. Right my guess is he hates the new grip that much.

I took his sarcasm/humor in stride and I have seen the original he did w/ the guy who really knew the Merrill camera...I also thought he was doing act II from the video. I like that video by the way.

But as I said earlier, the Merrill not good past iso 200 and it being a tripod only camera are my main complaints on the inaccuracies of the statements.

Gary
 
Dan Daniel said:
OK, try this- he makes a comment about the thwack from the shutter. Then he says 'Listen!' And then you hear...... nothing. Nada. No thwack, no Leica 'snick,' no Hasselblad 'thunk,' no crickets chirping, nothing. Nada. Did you hear me, not a thing to be heard.

You think, just maybe, he was joking? Hmmm? Maybe? Huh, kidding around? Like, say, maybe much of what he reviews are DSLRs because that's where the money is for a store like his. I bet he does bursts on reports of DSLRs. And then this Sigma camera has NO MIRROR to bounce around, just a little leaf shutter and makes almost no noise.

Geez, people, it's a video review by a guy who loves irony and sarcasm. Maybe people need to stay up late one night and see this thing that's been on TV for a bit now. It's called 'The David Letterman Show,' and it's popular among the kids I hear..... Lighten up, it's just one person playing with one camera. And irony and sarcasm, hate to tell you but it's here to stay. You might want to learn to recognize it.
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I think you guys are giving too much benefit of the doubt. I understood the parts that were meant to be humorous, and I caught the gags. But he is a popular reviewer, and no matter what the intention, a lot of what he said was really misleading (like every viewer is informed enough to know that the Sigma DP cameras have leaf shutters?--this one bothered me the most I guess, just my Sony A7R shutter-shock PTSD).

edit: quoting a comment below
jsrockit said:
Most of what he said is true... shutter and tripod aside.
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What about the claim that the cameras don't offer usable performance past 200iso? I'm looking at two, beautiful 800iso colour captures right now. Though 400 is the true consistent quality ceiling, imo.
 
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