Can anyone help me with my problem?

[Be.Kith]

Nice to see someone else trying the whibal card. It can produce such perfect white balance indoors with mixed lighting that the result looks unnatural. Overgaard describes a neat trick for golden hour: set WB with the card in the shade, and the shots will show the appropriate warm golden light of impending sunset. Too cold for me to try it yet.

Hope you're reassured about the camera. Welcome and enjoy the forum.

Truth be told, it was Overgaard who influenced me to get the whibal card, like i said, i am fairly new to Rangefinder camera, but i love the process of learning it, i truly think photography is a lifetime to master.

Well, he's spot on. I prefer to shoot sans flash, so I accept weird color shifts like this as part of the deal. So I guess you either live with it, do a hell of a lot of post-processing, or just do it up in black and white. One advantage the boys and girls in the old days had over us, shooting with their B&W Tri-x....

well, it's all part of learning, someday maybe, i'll venture to film cameras, in the mean time, the m9 is keeping me really busy. 😛

Indeed you did not, my reply was to the post by Jaapv which I explicitly quoted, I made no reference at all to your post and your legitimate request for an explanation. I regret any confusion caused by that.

well, you didn't quote him, and you did replied on my thread, so i thought it was directed at me, which i think was quite rude. O well..

As you can gather from the responses, the "problem" is the shooter's expectations. It is totally impossible for any WB system, be is auto or manual digital or film choice, to ever get the "correct" color balance on a scene where there are different color light sources lighting different portions of the picture. Truth be told, the mixed balance effect is correct as that is the way the scene was in real life.

You can never get "correct" color balance on both the tungsten lit and daylight lit portions of the scene at the same time without manually masking the image and adjusting the two image areas independently.

Got it sir, i will continue on learning.

I got myself an ExpoDisc and do manual WB every time I enter into different lightning situations, takes about 15 sec and never had any issues with strange colors. You just pop it directly infront of the lens and shoot in the direction of the light source. So it's a little easier than a card that needs to be hit by the light and you have to position yourself that there is no shaddow on the card and point to the card. But I guess it's for both methods just a matter of getting used to it.

i love the whibal card, tho i never use the ExpoDisc before, It maybe easier to use, but i'll stick with the whibal card, and learn to master it.

 

[Fraser]

Just shoot raw then no need to worry about white balance, never really liked the auto white balance etc in the M9.

 

[Richard G]

But Fraser, the white balance has to be accounted for at some point. If it isn't in the M9 it will have to be in Lightroom or equivalent. It is easier to consider it at the time of shooting when there may be complex inputs to the overall lighting of a scene, rather than having to fiddle with white balance on a monitor trying to achieve what you remember of the light earlier. Auto white balance in Lightroom seems quite good from my limited us of it, admittedly, but daylight or tungsten or auto or something has to be set for shooting and one might as well get it right at the start.

 

[Fraser]

Its much easier on the computer there are a lot more setting than just whats on the camera, and the lcd screen on the M9 is not that great for checking settings. Until I got my first M8 I never really shot in raw (I'm a press photographer) now with the cost of fast memory cards so much cheaper I shoot raw all the time once you get the work flow right it adds very little editing time.
I tried lightroom when I first got it free from leica but never really got on with it so went back to photomechanic which automatically opens camera raw which is very easy to use.

 

[x-ray]

The main problem is that you blew out the highlights with the blue prevailing. You could try if the defringe tool will get rid of it, otherwise it is a matter for the colorreplacement brush in Photoshop.
The restaurant shot would have been vastly improved with a bit of fill-flash.

The problem is he's shooting under mixed lighting. The foreground is tungsten at ~3200K and the background is ~5000K or higher temperature. it's normal and the only thing to do is process two versions of the same raw file and balance one for the tungsten and the other the daylight and then blend them together or segments of the image. You may have success by using the spot adjustment brush in LR4.

In the world of commercial photography and motion picture we would gel the window with an 85 correction filter in large rolls. Not practical unless you're being paid and have the time and budget.

If you have mixed lighting , different color temperatures, unless you do tricks in photoshop you can only accurately balance for one source at a time.

 

[ChrisLivsey]

well, you didn't quote him, and you did replied on my thread, so i thought it was directed at me, which i think was quite rude. O well..

Look again please at my post No 12 in this thread I clearly quote Jaapv and following you comment I was happy to offer an apology as soon as I logged on again.

If we are going to throw accusations of rudeness I will be happy to say I think you are impolite not to graciously accept my apology and to apparently deliberately mis-read my post quoting Jaapv who, as he has stated, was replying to a poster who again was not yourself.

Is it just me or has the famed tolerance of this forum and sense of fun I have enjoyed since 2007 recently notably deteriorated ?

I'm off now for a while I don't need this in my life.

 

[Be.Kith]

Just shoot raw then no need to worry about white balance, never really liked the auto white balance etc in the M9.

I shot in raw, but what i'm trying to achieve is a great picture out of the camera, without having to tweak at all in LR.

But Fraser, the white balance has to be accounted for at some point. If it isn't in the M9 it will have to be in Lightroom or equivalent. It is easier to consider it at the time of shooting when there may be complex inputs to the overall lighting of a scene, rather than having to fiddle with white balance on a monitor trying to achieve what you remember of the light earlier. Auto white balance in Lightroom seems quite good from my limited us of it, admittedly, but daylight or tungsten or auto or something has to be set for shooting and one might as well get it right at the start.

Agreed sir.

Its much easier on the computer there are a lot more setting than just whats on the camera, and the lcd screen on the M9 is not that great for checking settings. Until I got my first M8 I never really shot in raw (I'm a press photographer) now with the cost of fast memory cards so much cheaper I shoot raw all the time once you get the work flow right it adds very little editing time.
I tried lightroom when I first got it free from leica but never really got on with it so went back to photomechanic which automatically opens camera raw which is very easy to use.

Sometimes, it feels good to see a great picture out of the camera, without having to edit it for color, tones or whatsoever.

Look again please at my post No 12 in this thread I clearly quote Jaapv and following you comment I was happy to offer an apology as soon as I logged on again.

If we are going to throw accusations of rudeness I will be happy to say I think you are impolite not to graciously accept my apology and to apparently deliberately mis-read my post quoting Jaapv who, as he has stated, was replying to a poster who again was not yourself.

Is it just me or has the famed tolerance of this forum and sense of fun I have enjoyed since 2007 recently notably deteriorated ?

I'm off now for a while I don't need this in my life.

I'm not going to argue with you, i'm here to learn, i just felt it was offensive of what u said. But, i'd like to apologize to you if i had been impolite 🙂

Good day sir.

 

[Fraser]

You will be hard pushed to get a great picture straight out the camera, it was never designed to do that.