Canon 40d anyone?

[ywenz]

Why Live View though? Pandering to the idiot market, IMO.
Still, I'd get one. Or rather I'd get a 30D cheap.

Why is it an idiot feature? I can see it useful with many applications where you don't have to stick your face to the viewfinder..

 

[ZeissFan]

I don't understand Canon's new kit lens -- 28-135, which with the 1.6X factor becomes a 44-216 lens. No wide angle at all. What's up with that?

 

[Thardy]

Still waiting on a cheap full frame camera. For now the 20D will have to do.


keep hope alive.

 

[Thardy]

Amazon bundles the 40D with the 18-55 IS.


What are these new EF-S lenses?

 

[arbib]

Lots of nice features..but

Lots of nice features..but

I JUST bought an XTi....

So It will be a while before I invest again in a new DSLR....Maybe in 3 years I will a buy a used 40D for $500.00...We'll see.

Or

Maybe I will sell my Canon EF and lens's + XTi to get a new one??? NAHHHHHH 🙄

 

[erikhaugsby]

I don't understand Canon's new kit lens -- 28-135, which with the 1.6X factor becomes a 44-216 lens. No wide angle at all. What's up with that?

I think it's just a "preview" lens, if you will, to show what a non-sucky-kit-lens looks like. It's much like putting a 50/1.4 on any of the 1D* series bodies for advertisements, just have something there to look nicer than a throat of a lens mount.

 

[EmilGil]

I wonder how hard that 14-24/2.8 will hit your wallet, especially if it's not a DX lens.

Can't help to think that Nikon has forgotten the prosumer lens line somehow, Canon has a bunch of nice lenses which Nikon can't match. 17-55/2.8 IS is $200 cheaper than it's Nikon counterpart (which doesn't have VR). In Scandinavia the price difference is even bigger, almost $800. 😱 Where is that 70-200/4VR Nikon? 300/4VR? 85 AF-S?

 

[sweathog]

Why is it an idiot feature? I can see it useful with many applications where you don't have to stick your face to the viewfinder..

My biggest gripe (apart from it seeming to me to be an attempt to entice P&S users) is that is a function which is allowing the user to expose the sensor to all manner of stuff for prolonged periods of time. I've spoken to many people who consider the Live View something they'll never use.

 

[EmilGil]

Tom, the live view feature doesn't use the main sensor, it uses a second sensor placed in front of the shutter. CCD sensors don't allow a continous read-out but need the mechanical shutter to shield it when not actuated. CMOS sensors in P&S compacts are another story (different technology).

(I seriously doubt that I'll ever use it.)

 

[xabi]

I wonder how hard that 14-24/2.8 will hit your wallet, especially if it's not a DX lens.

Can't help to think that Nikon has forgotten the prosumer lens line somehow, Canon has a bunch of nice lenses which Nikon can't match. 17-55/2.8 IS is $200 cheaper than it's Nikon counterpart (which doesn't have VR). In Scandinavia the price difference is even bigger, almost $800. 😱 Where is that 70-200/4VR Nikon? 300/4VR? 85 AF-S?

Yes. I like nikon stuffs but for the same reason I moved from Nikon to Canon. Apart from the lenses you mentioned, canon is the only company that makes wide-angle fast primes (35 1.4, 24 1.4), and we rangefinder folks like fast primes!

 

[ywenz]

Tom, the live view feature doesn't use the main sensor, it uses a second sensor placed in front of the shutter. CCD sensors don't allow a continous read-out but need the mechanical shutter to shield it when not actuated. CMOS sensors in P&S compacts are another story (different technology).

(I seriously doubt that I'll ever use it.)

Ummmm...... Ummmmm.... The live view DOES use the main sensor.... Yeaaahhhhhh

Okay guys, you're so missing the main point of live view. Here's a perspective of live view from a pro:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1752

" When I first heard of the Canon EOS 1D Mark III - the feature that immediately caught my attention was the "Live View" feature implemented in its release. The new body has many new features and improvements over the 1D Mark IIN - but none with as much potential to change remote photography as the Live View feature when combined with the WFT-E2 A WIFI transmitter that allows you to see through the camera's lens, change most exposure and camera settings from your laptop, and also critically focus any lens at 10X magnification anywhere on the image - not to mention of course fire the camera. "

Another one: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-8738-8908-8948

I forget that this is RF fourm.. high tech and new ways of thinking such as live view probably doesn't appeal to most people here. It's an optical viewfinder + 1.5x magnifier for us or nothing!

 

[sweathog]

Tom, the live view feature doesn't use the main sensor, it uses a second sensor placed in front of the shutter. CCD sensors don't allow a continous read-out but need the mechanical shutter to shield it when not actuated. CMOS sensors in P&S compacts are another story (different technology).

(I seriously doubt that I'll ever use it.)

Ok, I just assumed it was a similar system to the E510 which (as far as what I've read) works by raising the mirror.

Okay guys, you're missing the main point of live view. Here's a perspective of live vie from a pro:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1752

" When I first heard of the Canon EOS 1D Mark III - the feature that immediately caught my attention was the "Live View" feature implemented in its release. The new body has many new features and improvements over the 1D Mark IIN - but none with as much potential to change remote photography as the Live View feature when combined with the WFT-E2 A WIFI transmitter that allows you to see through the camera's lens, change most exposure and camera settings from your laptop, and also critically focus any lens at 10X magnification anywhere on the image - not to mention of course fire the camera. "

Another one: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/mul...8738-8908-8948

I forgets that this is RF fourm.. high tech and new ways of thinking like live view probably doesn't appeal to most people here. It's an optical viewfinder + 1.5x magnifier for us or nothing!

I can see where you're coming from, but realistically, how many people would use it under that application? I'm not trying to belligerent, I had not considered that angle, but I can see it as being fairly niche... I don't think that we're as backward as you are saying, I personally just prefer older kit, but quite happily accet newer (digital) innovations.

 

[erikhaugsby]

I forget that this is RF fourm..

A fact that isn't lost on many of us.

 

[ywenz]

Ok, I just assumed it was a similar system to the E510 which (as far as what I've read) works by raising the mirror.



I can see where you're coming from, but realistically, how many people would use it under that application? I'm not trying to belligerent, I had not considered that angle, but I can see it as being fairly niche... I don't think that we're as backward as you are saying, I personally just prefer older kit, but quite happily accet newer (digital) innovations.

Well I can see myself taking a shot at ground level with the camera pointed up at the model. You can imagine how difficult it would be to see thru the viewfinder at that position..

Or say if I'm covering the free dance at a wedding reception, and there's a huge crowd around the wedding couple, I stretch my arm up and out over the crowd to point at the couple's general direction and take a few shots. Without live view, it's point and snap and pray and chimp afterwards to see if got the shot. With live view, you can check out the composition on the LCD before you press the shutter.

 

[Al Patterson]

I do find it interesting that the discussion on DSLReXchange has fewer message than the one on RFF.

 

[Socke]

Well I can see myself taking a shot at ground level with the camera pointed up at the model. You can imagine how difficult it would be to see thru the viewfinder at that position..

Or say if I'm covering the free dance at a wedding reception, and there's a huge crowd around the wedding couple, I stretch my arm up and out over the crowd to point at the couple's general direction and take a few shots. Without live view, it's point and snap and pray and chimp afterwards to see if got the shot. With live view, you can check out the composition on the LCD before you press the shutter.

With a fixed screen? Remember, no tilt and swivel screen on the Canon dSLRs!

On a tripod as an focusing aid, maybe tethered to a computer, that's where I see an advantage.

Holding the camera over ones head or lying on the ground the screen won't be that much of an advantage, if at all.

 

[ywenz]

With a fixed screen? Remember, no tilt and swivel screen on the Canon dSLRs!

On a tripod as an focusing aid, maybe tethered to a computer, that's where I see an advantage.

Holding the camera over ones head or lying on the ground the screen won't be that much of an advantage, if at all.

I do agree that a tilt+swivel screen like on the olympus DSLR would be very useful. Too bad that camera is no good otherwise.

However, you don't need a direct view of the LCD to make it useful.. an off-angle view of the LCD is all one need to check for composition. (not talking about using the LCD to focus)

lying on the ground viewing the screen, even if it's off angle is much improved over the traditional viewfinder method where I can't even get my face behind the camera.

 

[sweathog]

However, you don't need a direct view of the LCD to make it useful.. an off-angle view of the LCD is all one need to check for composition. (not talking about using the LCD to focus)

Assuming there's no reflection...

 

[Socke]

However, you don't need a direct view of the LCD to make it useful.. an off-angle view of the LCD is all one need to check for composition. (not talking about using the LCD to focus)

It's better than nothing, but I don't think it would help me much.

I shot this with a 60d held far over my head and used the AF assist from the 420ex flash as a "target acquisition device", the DJ had his workplace some 7 feet over the dancefloor.

Composition is not too far off, I think I'm better now than I was then. One thing which I learned with rangefinders, know your lens 😀

 

[ywenz]

Socke: all you needed to do was to extend your arm out in front of you by half feet or so and you'll have enough room to view the LCD..

Shot these while holding the camera up and out in front of me.. For these shots, the fixed rear LCD with live view could definitely have helped..