Vincenzo Maielli
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In a mint conditions Canon 7, how good is the finder, in terms of brilliance?
How work the rangefinder patch, in terms of contrast?
Is good even with the 135 mm lenses?
Ciao.
Vincenzo
How work the rangefinder patch, in terms of contrast?
Is good even with the 135 mm lenses?
Ciao.
Vincenzo
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
it is good, very good.
only the CV Bessas, the new Zeiss Ikon cameras, and any M Leica is better.
only the CV Bessas, the new Zeiss Ikon cameras, and any M Leica is better.
Bingley
Veteran
There has been some recent discussion of this topic:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56473
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56473
Vincenzo Maielli
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Sorry, dear Steve, i'm very distracted...
I'm higly incert if buy a Canon 7 used in mint condition, or a new VC Bessa T, for using my Nikkor LTM 85/2 and 135/3.5 and, occasionally, my Leitz Summitar 50/2 and VC 35/1.7. With the Bessa T i'm plan to use my clear auxiliar KMZ turret finder.
I'm non interest for any Bessa R series, due to their short effective RF baselenght. The Zeiss Ikon ZM have, also, a very high effective RF baselenght, but is very expensive, in repect to Canon 7 or Bessa T for my particular purpose, and also lack the 135 mm framing.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
I'm higly incert if buy a Canon 7 used in mint condition, or a new VC Bessa T, for using my Nikkor LTM 85/2 and 135/3.5 and, occasionally, my Leitz Summitar 50/2 and VC 35/1.7. With the Bessa T i'm plan to use my clear auxiliar KMZ turret finder.
I'm non interest for any Bessa R series, due to their short effective RF baselenght. The Zeiss Ikon ZM have, also, a very high effective RF baselenght, but is very expensive, in repect to Canon 7 or Bessa T for my particular purpose, and also lack the 135 mm framing.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Bingley
Veteran
No worries, Vincenzo. I see your dilemma now. I have both of these camera bodies. They present quite different shooting experiences, and not just b/c the 7 has a viewfinder w/ framelines and the T does not. The relative size and weight of the two camera bodies may also be an important factor for you, and also shutter noise. The 7 is much quieter than the T. The T is much smaller and lighter than the 7. How will you use these cameras? What sorts of subjects do you like to shoot? Do you need an accurate meter? (the T's meter, not surprisingly, is better than the meter on the 7). Do you need a camera body that you can put in a coat pocket (favors the T), or do you want a more durable, robust camera built like a Leica M (favors the 7)? Is this going to be a principal camera body for you (I'd pick the 7 then), or a back-up or second body to use alongside another camera (I'd pick the T).
The 7 has framelines for each of the lenses you mention, and it balances very well, IMO, with the Ultron 35. I really enjoy using that camera/lens combo. The 7 is a poor man's Leica M4, IMHO. Stephen Gandy has opined that the 7 was the most advanced LTM rangefinder ever made. I like to use the T w/ a compact lens such as an Elmar 50 or CV 35 skopar, but that's my preference. I think of the T as a Leica IIIf w/ modern conveniences. It's unobtrusive, light weight, and cool to shoot w/. They're both good, but quite different. I like to shoot street, and landscapes (urban and rural); I don't do a lot of portraiture, or low light/night-time shooting. Given that, and the choice between a mint 7 or new T, I'd buy the 7.
The 7 has framelines for each of the lenses you mention, and it balances very well, IMO, with the Ultron 35. I really enjoy using that camera/lens combo. The 7 is a poor man's Leica M4, IMHO. Stephen Gandy has opined that the 7 was the most advanced LTM rangefinder ever made. I like to use the T w/ a compact lens such as an Elmar 50 or CV 35 skopar, but that's my preference. I think of the T as a Leica IIIf w/ modern conveniences. It's unobtrusive, light weight, and cool to shoot w/. They're both good, but quite different. I like to shoot street, and landscapes (urban and rural); I don't do a lot of portraiture, or low light/night-time shooting. Given that, and the choice between a mint 7 or new T, I'd buy the 7.
Vincenzo Maielli
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Thank you very mutch, dear Steve. Your answer is very preciuous for me.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Vincenzo Maielli
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I solve my problem; i bought a marvellous Canon 7, really as new. The body is shining, the meter work perfectly and the shutter curtains are really rough drafts free.
Ciao.
Ciao.
Bingley
Veteran
Vincenzo -- Congrats! It sounds like you've got a beauty. Please post photos of the 7, and by it! Cheers!
Congratulations, you will love it. So- what lens....
Dave Wilkinson
Veteran
I really like my '7'....the only problem is trying to find a +2 dioptre lens for the eyepiece!, I wear reading glasses and it's a little fuzzy without!! 
Dave
Dave
Bingley
Veteran
I predict you will love using the 7 w/ the summitar and the 35 ultron.
januaryman
"Flim? You want flim?"
Hmmm... Funny, but I find the patch on my P to be easier to use than the Bessa R, for some strange reason. Maybe I just have a very good Canon and a so-so Bessa...
Vincenzo Maielli
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Hi, Jim. The RF patch of the Bessa R is not so good. I own, also, a Bessa R2. The RF patch is slightly disaligned in the vertical composition and the contrast is very low. My Leica CL is sensibly better, as RF patch.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Ciao.
Vincenzo
Bingley
Veteran
Vincenzo -- How do you like your R2? Just curious.
Vincenzo Maielli
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The body construction is quite good, the finder is clear and the meter is simple to use and realiable. The shutter is noisy and also is noisy the advancing lever (is not a fault but is a feature; also my Bessaflex 42x1 SLR is same).
The RF patch is not so good in low light conditions, due to weak contrast, but work in good light conditions. The RF effective baselenght is short and have slight difficulty with 85 or 90 mm or fast lenses. In the vertical compositions the RF patch is not correctly lined up (very common fault in the Bessa R/R2 cameras). Everything considered, the Bessa R2 make his job.
Ciao.
Vincenzo
The RF patch is not so good in low light conditions, due to weak contrast, but work in good light conditions. The RF effective baselenght is short and have slight difficulty with 85 or 90 mm or fast lenses. In the vertical compositions the RF patch is not correctly lined up (very common fault in the Bessa R/R2 cameras). Everything considered, the Bessa R2 make his job.
Ciao.
Vincenzo