Cartier Bresson and wide angle lenses

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It is often said that Cartier Bresson used a 50mm lens exclusively or predominantly, and yet when I browse through his work, or indeed images of the great man himself with his cameras, it is clear he was also an avid wide angle lens user, probably 35mm but also 28mm.

What do you think?
 
I think it's undoubtedly true that HCB used both 35mm and 90mm lenses - I believe I've seen a quote to this effect years ago - but he did try to stick with the 50mm as far as possible.

I'm not sure what difference it makes to his artistry if he was 'impure' and used other lenses. It doesn't invalidate what the images are, just as the fact of his being a communist who started out as a surrealist (and some of the Mexico images bear that stamp) changes anything at all. That's how the images are created. The legend that was woven around him is another matter.
 
It is true he used occasionally focal lenghts outside the 50mm, as is true though he used the 50mm predominantly. Ishu Patel has a vivid recollection of his meeting with Cartier-Bresson and reports that he had with him a 35mm lens alongside his standard equipment: "...From his suitcase he pulled out a small nylon bag containing a note book, a spare Leica body wrapped in a handkerchief, and a 35 mm wide-angle lens also wrapped in a handkerchief..." Other people report that he wasn't happy using other focal lengths. In a recent interview, Koudelka said "As Henri started, he finished". (His discussion at that point was about photographic vision and how that depends also on equipment, so, presumably, he was also commenting on Cartier-Bresson's camera/lens preference.) John Brinnin, who accompanied him in his abortive US trip/project, also reported Cartier-Bresson's dismay for the fact the scenery suited better the 35mm than his preferred 50mm.

A couple of examples: Au Bord de la Marne seems to me to be a photo taken with a 35mm. The date was 1939 so the lens was probably an early Elmar 35/3.5. En Brie, on the other hand, looks to me made with a 90mm or longer, possibly the Elmar 90/2.8. Bearing in mind the relatively scarce use he made of the 35mm, I think it unlikely he ever used seriously a 28mm or wider.


PS. ^^Thank you for the link to Cartier-Bresson's Hyeres, 1932 photo and its present-day reconstruction. The compression of space seems near indistinguishable in the two photos. Had he used a 35mm the difference would be more prominent. Perhaps differences in framing could be accounted by difference in height in the older and current staircases. IMO Cartier-Bresson must had used a 50mm for that photo.

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PS. ^^Thank you for the link to Cartier-Bresson's Hyeres, 1931 photo and its present-day reconstruction. The compression of space seems near indistinguishable in the two photos. Had he used a 35mm the difference would be more prominent. Perhaps differences in framing could be accounted by difference in height in the older and current staircases. IMO Cartier-Bresson must had used a 50mm for that photo.

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Thanks. If you mean this ---->
http://www.ventspleen.com/?p=531

then I am not reading that way. Clearly a lens wider than 50mm was used as the reconstruction is missing the top, bottom and right of the scene. The perspective is wider also. Most likely a 35mm.

But there are plenty of other examples of him using wides, particularly in interiors, or in crowds. Or his famous pic by the seine.

http://savorystew.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/seine.jpg
 
For me. I would say its taken with a 35mm and cropped.
At first I was pretty sure it was just 50mm and a tad higher positionioning, but the more I look at the details, the more it seems that it was 35mm.

Does it matter actually?
 
As a photographer myself I think it is always interesting to learn how other people work. I also think that a lot of myth has grown up around Cartier Bresson. And this can be misleading. One such myth is that he exclusively used a 50 mm lens. Whilst it appears to be true that he did use a 50 mm lens for a lot of his work, particularly outside, he also used wider angles either due to space constraints or artistic vision.
 
... I thought Henri claimed to mostly use 50mm ... it's his apostles who go in for the fundamentalism
Much the same is true of Zonies. HCB and AA were photographers, not fundamentalists. It's not even the apostles: it's the followers of followers of followers. By the same token, how many are aware that the Prophet (PBOH) was, for his era, unusually strong on women's rights?

Cheers,

R.
 
I think it's undoubtedly true that HCB used both 35mm and 90mm lenses - I believe I've seen a quote to this effect years ago - but he did try to stick with the 50mm as far as possible.

I'm not sure what difference it makes to his artistry if he was 'impure' and used other lenses. It doesn't invalidate what the images are, just as the fact of his being a communist who started out as a surrealist (and some of the Mexico images bear that stamp) changes anything at all. That's how the images are created. The legend that was woven around him is another matter.
Tried? Or just used the 50mm when he couldn't be arsed to change lenses? (This is the only way in which I would readily compare myself wth HCB).

Cheers,

R.
 
How true those words are, even today.

If he was using a screw thread camera then I can understand how little he'd want to change the lens...

Regards, David
 
I have to ask, other than that this is a gear-centric forum, can anyone explain to me why it's important to know what equipment any of HCB's images were made with, please?
 
I have to ask, other than that this is a gear-centric forum, can anyone explain to me why it's important to know what equipment any of HCB's images were made with, please?

For me I like to know how the images are made as a means of better understanding the effects of different equipment choices.

You can learn a lot from someone like Cartier Bresson, regarding composition, timing, etc. etc. and you can also learn from his equipment choices in much the same way as you can learn from examining a photographers contact sheets (I can highly recommend Magnum Contact Sheets).
 
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