Cheap X100 Refurbs in the UK

xpanded said:
They state, they are Fujifilm UK, and therefore only sell to their marketplace. However, they do not explain why they sell to Ireland then, which certainly is not UK.
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My bet: the sales territory for the UK office includes Ireland. If they sell to someone outside their sales territory, the revenue is counted towards a different Fujifilm office, which "owns" the territory the sale is made to. Also, in a typically corporate way, I'll bet the cost of refurbishment is still billed to the UK office, even if all the revenue is counted to the other office. So where's their incentive to sell outside their territory? Not where their sales director can find it, that's for sure!

...Mike
 
mfunnell said:
My bet: the sales territory for the UK office includes Ireland. If they sell to someone outside their sales territory, the revenue is counted towards a different Fujifilm office, which "owns" the territory the sale is made to. Also, in a typically corporate way, I'll bet the cost of refurbishment is still billed to the UK office, even if all the revenue is counted to the other office. So where's their incentive to sell outside their territory? Not where their sales director can find it, that's for sure!

...Mike
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I am sure you are 100% correct. However, this is the mentality companies could afford before everybody could communicate with everybody else across national and artificial borders and buy from any of the EU member countries without paying import duties etc.

My experience with Fuji and repairs are the opposite (worldwide automatically) but that could of course be because the cost of the repair ends up in the country that sold the product in the first place.

/Xpanded
 
Paul T. said:
Teuthida, yes, it is indeed a quirky camera. I love it nearly as much as my Hexar AF.
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Paul, glad you do. I just can't get on with it. I've also got a Hexar AF, which I love- simple and easy to use.

Unfortunately, the X100 seems so completely cluttered with buttons and features it seems like its the Anti-Hexar. I'll throw it in my bag, then take it out to shoot only to find its reset itself to all sorts of whacky settings it takes 20 minutes to undo. I eventually just gave up.
 
semilog said:
In other words, you never took the time to learn the camera. Why you would brag about that is an interesting question. Why you still have a camera that you dislike even as it depreciates (as all digital ameras do) is another interesting question.

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No, that's not it at all. Fuji didn't take the time to make a camera that could be used without constantly ploughing thru menus to undo what shouldn't have happened in the first place. Ease of use is the gold standard of design. fuji failed miserably on the basics.

Why you would find that offensive is an interesting question. Could it be that you're married to your opinion since you bought the camera? You are, I note, very proud of your opinions.
 
Teuthida said:
No, that's not it at all. Fuji didn't take the time to make a camera that could be used without constantly ploughing thru menus to undo what shouldn't have happened in the first place. Ease of use is the gold standard of design. fuji failed miserably on the basics.

Why you would find that offensive is an interesting question. Could it be that you're married to your opinion since you bought the camera? You are, I note, very proud of your opinions.
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It is indeed true that some of us take criticism of a camera we like as criticism of us.

Equally it's true that you have to remember about four different button sequences on the Hexar, and you have to remember perhaps a dozen or so on the Fuji. But the Fuji doesn't forget them when you switch it off!

Personally, I found a thread on here which told me how to set the X100 up, and since then I've found it as easy to use as the Hexar. Its adjusted focusing point and distance indication is, in fact, similar to but even better than the Hexar.
 
Personally, I never use the Menu anymore:

Aperture is adjusted by the dedicated aperture ring at the lens.
Exposure time is adjusted by the dedicated time ring on top.
EV is adjusted by the dedicated ring on top (which easily changes itself :( )
ISO is changed when pushing the Fn-Button (to do so by using the menu once)
ND-Filter is toggled by the RAW-Button (by setting it up in the menu once)
To watch the pictures on the sreen use the play, (+), (-) and waste buttons

Whats exactly quirky here?

Maybe s.b. does not like it like this but I don't think it's quirky. It's the fastest UI I used on a figutal AF so far. Very close to what I liked so much (besides the on/off button) with my Minolta CLE.
 
Teuthida said:
I'll throw it in my bag, then take it out to shoot only to find its reset itself to all sorts of whacky settings it takes 20 minutes to undo. I eventually just gave up.
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Once Fuji implemented the control wheel lock function in their SW updates, it has never happened to me outside of the exp. comp wheel issue where it can be turn accidentally. They have a partial fix by making the wheel turn more resistant in newer models I hear. But the proper fix is lock capability. Otherwise I have never had anything as bad as u have mentioned even before the SW update.

The camera does take a bit of time to get used to.... This camera does not sound like the camera for u though. Time to sell it.

I am quite happy with mine.

Gary
 
Kavenzmann said:
Personally, I never use the Menu anymore:

Aperture is adjusted by the dedicated aperture ring at the lens.
Exposure time is adjusted by the dedicated time ring on top.
EV is adjusted by the dedicated ring on top (which easily changes itself :( )
ISO is changed when pushing the Fn-Button (to do so by using the menu once)
ND-Filter is toggled by the RAW-Button (by setting it up in the menu once)
To watch the pictures on the sreen use the play, (+), (-) and waste buttons

Whats exactly quirky here?

Maybe s.b. does not like it like this but I don't think it's quirky. It's the fastest UI I used on a figutal AF so far. Very close to what I liked so much (besides the on/off button) with my Minolta CLE.
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+1. Yep back to basics. All the important stuff is where u can get to it fast.

Gary
 
Indeed, what Kavenzzman says.

Yes, the Exposure COmpensation can get knocked. But, hey, where is the Automatic ND Filter on the Hexar, a camera which needs one so badly?

Focus is significantly faster on the Hexar - I use the two side by side pretty regularly - but the Fuji is definitely more versatile, just the fact you can use it at f/2.8 both indoors and outdoors, something that's impossible on the Hexar without screwing on a filter, is a major advantage.
 
Maybe it's how I grip the camera. I find that my right hand wants to naturally fall on those areas of the camera back that have buttons on them, thus activating something or other without meaning to. Getting a thumbs up didn't help. IMO, it's just bad design, as I've never had a similar problem with other cameras, although, admittedly, most cameras I've owned have been analog. I don't have a similar problem with the M8. And I much prefer the files from the M8, so the x100 doesn't get used much.

I let an old Leica guy try it - pretty well known guy, much published, in his 70s who still uses an M4. He hated it, so Ifeel like I'm in good company.:p
 
Bloody hell, they're getting cheaper by the month - £450 with the discount now...

Amazing that just months ago people were paying more than the RRP to get one :)
 
I've just bought the X100 LE from the Fuji Shop which was listed at £599.99. With the 10% discount plus £8.99 shipping the total was still <£550.

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Col

kully said:
Doesn't seem like that long ago that people were paying more than a grand to buy one of these....

It's a refurb direct from Fujifilm, I just ordered one after a mate got his - it's like new and comes with a full 1 year warranty.

http://shop.fujifilm.co.uk/refurbished-digital-cameras/professional

Use the code P258BTCC467 for 10% off which brings the price down to £494.98!

Also, this is my first GAS attack for 2 years - I feel dirty :p
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So I got one of the refurb models. It overexposes by more than 2EV indoors. It's not sticky aperture thingy. Is this just a terrible light metre or would Fuji refurb a camera and leave a fault?
 
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